Mauer Power

Pop quiz, hot shot: There’s a catcher who wins the Gold Glove, the batting title and leads the league in on base and slugging percentage. What do you call him?

MVP.

That is, unless you’re the (presumably) Detroit-area voter who put Miguel Cabrera in front of Mauer in first place, costing him the unanimous MVP.

Same dude who voted Verlander over Greinke for the Cy Young award? If so, is it time to investigate whether this city-by-city system is the best way to go?

UPDATE: Ken Davidoff Tweets that it was Keizo Konishi of Kyodo News, based in Seattle, who voted Miguel Cabrera first. I can think of no worldly justification for voting Cabrera ahead of either Mauer or Jeter for that matter, so I eagerly await Mr. Konishi’s explanation.


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Bill B.
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Bill B.

The Cabrera voter was from Seattle, believe it or not.

Via @KenDavidoff

http://twitter.com/KenDavidoff/status/5984854758

“Keizo Konishi of Kyodo News, based in Seattle, voted Miguel Cabrera first.”

ecp
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ecp
ecp
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ecp

“He was an inspirational horse.  Nobody was tougher with the season on the line.”

Oh wait, that was Justin Verlander.  Cabrera is the guy who stayed out all night, got drunk with members of the opposing team, had an altercation with his wife, and tanked the last weekend of the season, thereby helping to ensure that the Tigers missed the playoffs.

dbhammel
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dbhammel

Although I dont diagree with ecp, Miggy did hit a pretty huge HR in the play-in game while being deraded with alcohol related chants from a metrodome crowd.  That homerun shut them up pretty quick, trust me, I was there.

MJ
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MJ
From fangraphs Dave Cameron For Jon Heyman and the rest of the reactionary “Keith Law should lose his ballot” crowd, I present the following comparison between Joe Mauer and Miguel Cabrera. Singles: Mauer +2 Doubles: Cabrera +4 Triples: Mauer +1 Home Runs: Cabrera +6 Runs: Cabrera +2 RBI: Cabrera +7 Walks: Mauer +8 Outs: Cabrera +87 In terms of raw production, you’d be hard pressed to find two guys who had more similar years than Mauer and Cabrera. The differences in practically all of the counting stats is single digits, making those numbers a virtual tie. The only counting stat… Read more »
Wickethewok
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Wickethewok

Hey, they improved the look of the BBWAA site.  Now it only looks 10 years old instead of 15.

ecp
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ecp

@dbhammel – More to the point, though, is that if Cabrera had shown up for the final series against the White Sox, there’s a good chance no play-in game would have been necessary.

Wooden U. Lykteneau
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Wooden U. Lykteneau

Well, at least now we know who Migeuel Cabrera hits the sake bars with in Seattle.

Jason @ IIATMS
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Jason @ IIATMS

According to many reports, because of that 1st place vote, Miggy ranked 4th in the MVP voting, thereby earning him $200K.  Someone better watch the bank wires.

Not for nothing, but what does “deraded” mean?

ecp
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ecp

Derided?  Degraded?

sansho1
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sansho1

The right guy won.  I’ll never understand the quest for unanimity in these things.  What principle is being upheld, and whose honor defended?

Bill Simmons bugs me sometimes, but I agree with him about one thing—baseball is becoming a sport about which you’re not allowed to have opinions anymore.

Craig Calcaterra
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Craig Calcaterra

You can have opinions, sansho. But I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask that those opinions be (a) informed; and (b) defended if they are considerably detached from the mainstream.

Carpenter v. Lincecum v. Wainwright: it’s fairly close. Go ahead and have your opinions, and if you’re Keith Law or Will Carroll or Ron Rollins—all people whose opinions I generally respsect—we can argue all day long without anyone truly able to say that they’re right with a captial R.

But Cabrera over Mauer?  Sorry, show your work or I can’t take you seriously.

Kevin
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Kevin

A quick glance at the Kyodo News Sports sections shows like 10 articles on International volleyball and only one story even remotely related to the MLB. They don’t even have Mauer’s MVP as a story. Why does this guy have a vote?

Jonathan Fellows
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Jonathan Fellows

“Why does this guy [from Kyodo News] have a vote?”

A lot of newspapers are following the Washington Post’s practice of forbidding their writers from voting on annual awards on “conflict of interest” grounds—especially now that lots of players have financial incentives based upon those awards.  It might be that the Seattle-area papers are among those that do so.  That might be the same reason Law and Carroll got votes.

kardo
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kardo

Probably the vote was political. Mauer was an absolute certainty for the MVP, so why not push you’re own personal favorite by making him 1st in your ballot. It would have been fun if more writers argued like that, and made Mauer lose the MVP.

Also, how can Rivera get more votes then Greinke?

Steve C
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Steve C

I noticed Rivera being placed higher on the ballot than Grineke, really strange.  I think there are too many ballot spots for the MVP and too few for the Cy Young. 

Most teams employ 10-11 pitchers on their 25 man roster.  So for a population of players that is 2/5ths of the league has a voting system that only has 3 lines to write names into.  This makes no sense, it should at least be 2/5ths the size of the MVP ballot (4).

Rob²
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Rob²

Why is it that the pool of voters for the CY is different than the MVP?

lookatthosetwins
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lookatthosetwins

Micheal,

Explain to me how that makes any difference in how valuable the players are.  Thanks in advance.

lookatthosetwins
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lookatthosetwins

Also, sorry for spelling your name wrong.

Ron
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What I don’t understand is how did Albert Pujols not even recieve any votes?  C’mon, he played in American League parks during interleague play, and we all know he’s the best player in the game. And there is no rule prohibiting writers for voting for a National League player for the American League MVP. This is just another example of these young, upstart junior league writers not showing the proper respect for their established senior league counterparts. And the anti-Cardinal bias? Don’t get me started. If this isn’t a conspiracy, then what is?  Next thing you know, you’ll be telling… Read more »
Michael
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I don’t think Cabrera was necessarily the “most valuable”, but I can understand why someone might select him. Just take one look at the Twins leaderboards offensively in HRs, RBIs, batting average, and OPS and you’ll see three different players. Take a look at the Tigers and you’ll see one player. The Twins had five players with an .800 or higher OPS with at least 500 at bats. Tigers had one, two if you do 500 plate appearances. Twins had two players with 100 RBIs, neither of which were Mauer, and four players with 90 RBIs. Tigers had one, Cabrera.… Read more »
bk
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bk

i agree that Mauer should have been unanimous MVP, but you shouldn’t make comments even if you add the words presumably, when you’re not talking about theory. all you had to do was spend a few mins searching for it, and you’d find who was the guy who didn’t vote for Mauer.
in the end it just reflects badly on yourself that you weren’t bothered to check the facts.

Michael
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Michael
lookatthosetwins- It means the Twins had more support around Mauer. Yes, he had great numbers, but he did also have more support around him than Cabrera did. If Miguel Cabrera isn’t on the Tigers, the Tigers are well out of the race, given their offense would have been equivalent to the Kansas City Royals. The Twins, if they didn’t have Mauer, would still have a pretty solid trio in Morneau (he did play for all but the last two weeks), Kubel, and Cuddyer. Both players had great seasons, Mauers’ was much better. I also found it interesting how nobody really… Read more »
Kevin S.
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Kevin S.

LATT, I think you forgot some zeroes in Miggy’s marginal slash line. tongue laugh

lookatthosetwins
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I still don’t understand what that has to do with anything.  Did the support around him make his contributions less valuable?  Absolutely not.  In fact, his high on base percentage was MORE valuable, because he had guys to drive him in.  From a statistical viewpoint, a high OBP guy is always more valuable in a better lineup, especially when he’s hitting before the good players. Having a good lineup may have affected his runs scored and RBIS, etc.  but using those to decide an MVP is downright silly anyway.  I’m sure the main argument is that he was “protected” by… Read more »
lookatthosetwins
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lookatthosetwins

Just to show that I’m not an unreasonable guy, I will agree with you that Pujols deserved the MVP in ‘06.

lookatthosetwins
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lookatthosetwins

Maybe I did that on purpose.  Maybe the wole point of this exercize was to see if anyone would actually read through a post as obnoxiously long as that one.  You passed!

Or, maybe, I did forget some zeroes.

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