Quotable.  Maybe.

MLB.com has a profile on Trevor Hoffman and Mariano Rivera’s eventual Hall of Fame chances. Straight forward enough, but this stuck out:

“Trevor Hoffman is a Hall of Famer, in my opinion,” Commissioner Bud Selig once said. “So is Mariano Rivera. Look, Yogi Berra once said, ‘If you ain’t got relief pitching, you ain’t got nothing.’ So where in my mind do you think Trevor Hoffman figures? Relief pitchers are critical.”

Call me crazy, but that does not sound like something Yogi Berra would have said. Rather, it sounds like one of those things people like to say that Yogi Berra said. A regular, boring statement Yogi-fied by the use of the word “ain’t” and a double negative.

A few searches reveal nothing of that phrase other than Selig’s use of it in this article. Your assignment, super sleuths: find me a single example of Berra saying something like that. If we can’t find it, I’m going to assume this is an example of Selig hiding behind a phony quote of someone else, unable to make a solitary stand on even the most uncontroversial of issues.

UPDATE: We have at least one other source attributing that to Yogi (see the comments). If that holds up, I’ll stand corrected and offer my sincerest apology to Mr. Selig. Still, it’s not like there’s a law that you have to have Berra backup to say something like Rivera and Hoffman are Hall of Famers.


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Grady
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Grady

found this article from ‘06
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060925&content_id=1682290&vkey=perspectives&fext;=.jsp&c_id=mlb
which has the quote from a phone conversation with Selig after Hoffman’s 479th.

Grady
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Grady

oh.  but you want Yogi.  shouldve had the coffee before posting.

The Common Man
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The Common Man

Is Yogi Berra really the final arbiter you’d want to use to settle any dispute?

Wooden_U_Lykteneau
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Wooden_U_Lykteneau

Bob Ryan refers to it here:

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2008/10/09/rays_fans_finally_catch_on_theyve_got_a_good_thing/?page=2

But I swear I’ve read it attributed to Leo Durocher with a four-letter version of “nuthin’”

Steve H
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Steve H

I don’t think the Bob Ryan citation counts for much, since it comes AFTER Selig’s. Making a good case for Berra really having said that would involve a citation predating Selig’s use.

Wooden_U_Lykteneau
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Wooden_U_Lykteneau

Sorry. My fault. I guess you weren’t willing to take the word of a nationally renowned sportswriter from one of the best sports sections in the business. Will an SI citation from 1984 suffice?

http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1121974/index.htm

GBS
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GBS

The same Bob Ryan who says in the article below regarding the BCS that Utah “doesn’t play in a good conference.”

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-utah010509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Sorry, no, his word isn’t good enough for me.  “Nationally renowned” isn’t synonymous with “credible” or “good.”

Wooden_U_Lykteneau
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Wooden_U_Lykteneau

Fine. Then I guess you’ll just have to take the word of the SI editors, then, assuming you even bothered to click through and find it.

Luis Venitucci
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Luis Venitucci

I think what Yogi said,(and this was in 73 when Tug was struggling) if I recall was”If you aint got a bullpen you aint got nothing.”  as the Mets were pretty bad until September when they got hot and won the division wi 82(or 83) wins.

GBS
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GBS

Yes, I “bothered to click through and find” the reference you cited, and I do consider that a more credible source.  My point is that an after-the-fact reference by a blowhard who is willing to appear on “Around the Horn” doesn’t carry much weight with me.

Wooden_U_Lykteneau
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Wooden_U_Lykteneau

Well, GBS, at least you admit that you base your specious opinion on what Ryan says vs. what he writes. It’s not like he’s ever won any awards for that, right?

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