The Fisking of Roberts has begun

A little over 48 hours since the book’s release, and people are starting to pick the nits. I’m not sure I care about the “was he in Milwaukee or was he in Detroit” kind of nits that hell of a lot, but if there are tons and tons of them, it suggests that the commercial motive that led to the rush to get this book out far outweighed any pretense of good, accurate reporting and the development of the themes Roberts has pretended to care about so much.


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Lisa Swan/Subway Squawkers
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Lisa Swan/Subway Squawkers
Craig, I found a bunch of errors and oversights in the book as well, and I wrote about them in my blog’s review of the book: * She distorts his playoff performance by completely leaving out his Seattle games, the 2004 ALDS, and the first three games of the 2004 ALCS. Roberts mocks him for “doing nothing” against the Red Sox in Game 4, but that was the game where he hit a two-run homer to put the team ahead. * She criticizes him for not doing enough for charity, but then leaves out mentioning that he gave $200,000 to… Read more »
Richard in Dallas
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Richard in Dallas
All I can say about any of this mess is that I wish a better writer, one who is more thorough and with a better reputation, was the one who found out these things about A-Rod and wrote a book.  We are not talking about a man of exemplary character here.  If there is more bad behavior than has been chronicled by papparazzi, and it in any way affects the outcome of games or the performance of himself or other players, I am glad it’s coming out, and I hope he pays the appropriate price for it.  The thing most… Read more »
Greg Simons
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Greg Simons

Richard – I’m certainly not going to argue against your wish that everyone had more integrity.  All of us certainly could use more, and it would be a very welcome change.

However, to say that society or baseball had integrity in the past is, well, false.  Baseball has had cheaters, game throwers, racists, drunkards, adulterers, etc. from the very beginning.  “(R)estoring integrity to a high profile sport like baseball” would require integrity to have been present at some point in the past.

David
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David
Richard, You wrote, “I wish a better writer, one who is more thorough and with a better reputation, was the one who found out these things about A-Rod and wrote a book…. In saying this, you’re stipulating that everything this woman – a proven liar – says is true.  The whole point of the suspicions about the book is that they’re possibly – and very probably – not true.  You seem – like many others – bizarrely fixated on the personalities of Rodriguez and Roberts.  Here’s the deal: you don’t know either of them, and you never, ever will.  So… Read more »
Richard in Dallas
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Richard in Dallas
David, I DO know these things about ARod; He cheated on his wife – there is photographic evidence and a divorce as proof. He DID use PED’s by his own admission. The fact that he admitted to the second item would lead me to believe that he is trying to gain credibility through the back door, so that we would believe him when he says that he didn’t participate in pitch tipping. Consider the person in posession of the credit card of a person that’s been murdered.  He will freely admit to using the credit card knowing it wasn’t his,… Read more »
Richard in Dallas
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Richard in Dallas

Lisa,

Three quick comments about the points you make:

Anyone that makes a big deal about donating LESS THAN ONE PERCENT of their salary, especially a salary that could support a family in decadence for 3 or 4 generations, should be absolutely ASHAMED by their miserly ways.

And as for not interviewing anyone that is pro-A-Rod, did you ever take into consideration that she couldn’t FIND anyone that fit that bill?

As for stats, do you know what his BA is with RISP in the post season?

Nuff Said

Richard in Dallas
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Richard in Dallas
MJ, 1-Not merely using a divorce paper.  You seem to have ignored the photographic proof part of my statement. 2&3-Meant to be considered together, 3 as an argument in support of 2.  When looked at in that context, you may not agree, but you must see my point. 4-WHAT proof was there that Joe Jackson tanked his efforts to help lose games in 1919?  And you can add “spits on the ball” to “scuffs a ball or corks a bat”.  And exactly how many people died as a result of a Gaylord Perry pitch?  Lyle Alzado is, indeed, dead due… Read more »
Greg Simons
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Greg Simons

David,

“gay men like you,” “my little purse-swinging friend,” “Ugly Woman,” “huge moles on her nose,” “gelatinous double chin.”

Seriously?  You’re going to drag the discourse down to that level?  I disagree with much of what Richard says, and I doubt much of what Selena Roberts claims, but these childish insults are totally unnecessary.

David
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David
Greg, Well, I was kind of writing under the assumption that nobody would actually read it. Seriously, though: the poster I was addressing was disparaging A-Rod with no evidence other than Ugly Woman’s completely unsubstantiated claims.  He was calling Buck Showalter and Michael Young and Jeff Brantley incompetent fools.  He was making inane claims about the dangers of steroids, cultivating a culture of anxiety and stupidity.  He was making character attacks on A-Rod despite the fact that he’s never met him and never will.  So I was just trying to stand up for A-Rod, baseball, and the rest of those… Read more »
Craig Calcaterra
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Craig Calcaterra

David—

I haven’t had time to read the comments this morning or else I would have said something earlier, but that level of discourse will NOT be tolerated around here.

I have deleted your previous comment because I don’t want that junk polluting up this space.  Make any argument you want, but I will not abide that sort of offensive, ad hominem garbage to stand.

David
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David
What did I do?  Selena Roberts does have moles on her nose that even TV makeup can’t hide.  She does have a jiggly double-chin.  Sure, calling these traits “ugly” might be a subjective judgment on my part, but I think if we were to take a survey, it’d become a majority opinion. When I think of Selena Roberts, I think of a cartoon that appeared at Slate.com when the rape hoax was first made.  The cartoon was a caricature showing the Duke lacrosse players as satanic, predatory animals prodding a co-ed in the rear end with their lacrosse sticks.  This… Read more »
Craig Calcaterra
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Craig Calcaterra

David—don’t play coy with me. You were attacking people based on your presumptions about sexual orientation. That’s not acceptable, and you know it. Or at least now you do.

David
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David
You consider calling somebody gay an attack?  What!?!?  Hey, I don’t judge people based upon their sexual orientation.  I mean, there’s nothing wrong with women and gay men gossiping about A-Rod’s sex life.  I just don’t think that the fact that A-Rod is obviously a ladies’ man and sleeps with gorgeous women is relevant when somebody’s trying to construct an argument that he should be banned from baseball for life and lose hundreds of millions of dollars.  When I think of the “men” who talk about A-Rod’s sex life, I’m reminded of the men who get all outraged and red-faced… Read more »
Richard in Dallas
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Richard in Dallas
David, “Also: A-Rod is totally innocent of Selena Robert’s latest-and-greatest false libelous attacks” On what do you base this statement?  What is the evidence? “He was making character attacks on A-Rod despite the fact that he’s never met him and never will.” Actually, I have.  I live in Dallas, remember?  That’s where the Rangers play, in case you didn’t know, and I attend a lot of the events at the Ballpark where players are made to be accessible.  Have for years.  And my impression of him was that he is a cold, distant, egotistical person that doesn’t really give a… Read more »
Greg Simons
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Greg Simons
Great, now I have to defend David – a little. “‘Also: A-Rod is totally innocent of Selena Robert’s latest-and-greatest false libelous attacks’” “On what do you base this statement?  What is the evidence?” Richard, it is completely unnecessary to provide evidence that A-Rod is innocent.  Remember, we go by the standard of innocent until proven guilty, and the burden of proof rests on the prosecution. Maybe you’ve seen/read enough to decide in your mind that he’s guilty of all charges, but I don’t see how an jury would find A-Rod guilty of any of these accusations, since they’re based on… Read more »
David
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David
Richard: What do I base A-Rod’s innocence off of? 1. Every single credible person who’s been asked about it has said it’s “total crap” or a variant thereof.  Michael Young, Buck Showalter, Doug Glanville, Jeff Brantley….who am I missing? 2. The statistical research shows that A-Rod’s performance was worse in blowout games than in tight games (despite the fact that he’d be hitting against the bullpen mop-up men in many of those situations!) 3. If the accusations were true, all Jabba the Hu-….I mean, Selena Roberts, would have to do is look at the videotape (or even the stats).  The… Read more »
David
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David

Awesome.

Columnist Jason Whitlock tears proven-liar Selena Roberts’s credibility apart:

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9542614/Bio-hazard:-A-Rod-author-has-credibility-issues

The best quote:

”“You give people a litmus test, Jim,” she said. “You say to them, you go back to them over and over again and you say, ‘Is it consistent what they’re saying to me? Have they changed at all? Do they have a credibility issue? Is there anything in their past that might make me wary of this person?’ “

You see, Selena Roberts thinks like me. Is there anything in her past that would make me wary of her allegations against A-Rod?”

Richard in Dallas
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Richard in Dallas
David, If I were truly the suspicious kind, I would be of the opinion that your raging against me were somehow chemically induced.  There is no point arguing with you any further about any of this. As for my son’s “T-Ball League”, I invite you to leave the scenic beauty of Detroit and come to Beautiful Sunny Dallas and stand in the batter’s box one time with my son on the bump.  I promise I won’t tell him to throw a spitball, mostly because, at 15, he can only get a spitball up to about 82MPH.  I’d MUCH rather see… Read more »
David
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David
Richard, Sorry, dude, but there was no rage in my posts, just an indignant smirk about your sad lies and inane arguments.  For the record, unlike every pathetic white American male, I actually don’t believe in Viagra or the rest of the creepy drugs you phonies love. And why are you talking to me about your son?  It was already pathetic when you were gossiping about A-Rod’s sex life, now you’re shoehorning comments about your son’s supposed athletic prowess into comments with a total stranger?  Be a man.  Stop living vicariously through others and stop your pathetic lies about A-Rod. … Read more »
dlf
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dlf

Craig ~ As someone whose been following your writing since you were a mere poster on Mac’s BravesJournal, I’m glad to see that you are getting wider circulation and more readers.  Damn shame the quality of the conversation has sunk to such abominable levels.

MJ
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MJ
@ Richard He cheated on his wife – there is photographic evidence and a divorce as proof. No one, in the history of divorce, has ever lied during the proceedings.  ever.  yes he may have, and may have even admitted it, but merely using a divorce paper as proof of something is as trustworthy as Ms Roberts. The fact that he admitted to the second item would lead me to believe that he is trying to gain credibility through the back door, so that we would believe him when he says that he didn’t participate in pitch tipping. One has… Read more »
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