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Scarf
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Scarf

Don’t forget public funding for stadiums, Shyster. I’ve read Zirin’s Nation stuff for some time (it’s the price you pay for excellent analysis of Third World politics), and according to him you can blame everything on American taxpayers subsidizing athletic venues.

Craig Calcaterra
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That’s prepostrous, Scarf.  There are a couple of things (e.g. certain diseases; most extinction-level meteors) that can’t be blamed on public stadium financing.  It’s pretty much to blame for everything else though.

fifth of
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Craig, your attitude towards Zirin is pretty uncalled for. I understand that your blog and career generally take laws as a given, but not all people have the luxury of believing the law will be on their side – something you clearly acknowledge. What exactly is wrong with having people cover sports from another perspective? While I understand that your comments are not per se a contention that Zirin is ‘wrong’ to pursue these angles, there is a clear pattern of disparagement in your comments on Zirin. The last time you wrote about him, you included an ad hominem attack… Read more »
fifth of
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The recent lovefest for Jackie Robinson was, to me, profoundly disturbing, as the model for a successful black athlete continues to be one who follows the words of the architect of the contemporary baseball economic model of player production: “Robinson, I’m looking for a ballplayer with guts enough not to fight back.” The systems of player procurement and development as we know them are neither an accident of history nor the natural evolution of the game of baseball. They reflect situated histories and knowledges, not eternal truths. How baseball acquires, develops, and disciplines players is very much still caught up… Read more »
Matt A.
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Matt A.

Hopefully somebody takes the time to read this dissertation above and make snarky comments about it.

Craig Calcaterra
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Craig Calcaterra
Fifth—first, you seemed to have doubleposted the part that began with the Jackie Robinson/Branch Rickey discussion, so I took the liberty of deleting the duplicate. If I inadvertantly cut something out, I apologize, but I trust you’ll be able to recreate it in a subsequent post seeing as you are no doubt a person who doesn’t find himself at a loss for words. Anyway. I find it interesting that such vitriol comes in response to such a small, “hey look at this item” post like the one I made.  To truly dismiss Zirin would be not to link him at… Read more »
fifth of
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Craig, my “vitriol” comes from your *pattern* of discourse on Zirin. The pattern is a simple one. You partially agree but disparage with accusations of lack of evidence – accusations that are not themselves backed up with sufficient evidence, as I see it. You reduce his arguments to fallacies, dismiss those fallacies, and then say “heck, I’m still generous enough to link to him!” Couldn’t you do him the favor of, in your terms, “Fisking” him so that your actual disagreements are in the open and not concealed? The last time you linked to him I asked you to point… Read more »
Craig Calcaterra
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Craig Calcaterra

Fifth—I have to bolt now, but I’ll be back to continue this discourse later this evening.

Ralph
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Ralph

Mrs. Zirin sure is long-winded.

Aaron Moreno
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Aaron Moreno

I bothered to skim that, and I feel that I can distill it down to this:

Craig, if you don’t like Zirin’s holistic approach to baseball, then don’t complain about it. Or something. *scare asterisks* for emphasis.

Anyway, to me, Zirin reads more like Zinn.

fifth of
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You can discount me all you want for writing a large amount. The origin of this dispute comes from this previous Shysterball piece: http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/shysterball/article/zirin-on-bonds-and-the-doj/ I initially left a fairly short comment there. Craig went out of his way to specify that the DOJ prosecution of Bonds was not “a racial thing.” I questioned this position, as well as his decision to insert that position into a post linking to a column that itself was not arguing that the Bonds prosecution was a “racial thing,” and pointed out that the column did include evidence that would have supported the “racial thing”… Read more »
Craig Calcaterra
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OK, too much crap going on this evening, I’m tired and I’m not feeling particularly well, but for what it’s worth: Fifth: both in the thread to that Bonds post and here you have misunderstood the fundamentals of the burden of proof.  When you and/or Zirin make a claim—say, Barry Bonds is being colluded against, people are crying “racism” over Manny’s suspension, etc. you generally need to bring something to the table. When someone says “I don’t see the evidence to back up the claim,” you don’t say “where’s your evidence that I don’t have evidence.” Or you can, your… Read more »
MJ
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MJ
Meanwhile we all get taken to the cleaners. We have billionaire owners making scapegoats of millionaire players to soothe our anxieties about the game and our lives. Meanwhile these same owners sit like pashas in a baseball palace that could be called the House That Steroids Built Having never read Zirin’s work prior to this, where’s the outrage at the media for not reporting on this?  Placing the blame strictly on the owners seems a bit harsh doesn’t it? I’m staying out of the race stuff, but when did Zirin post this? Besides, the quizzically quirky Ramirez is not at… Read more »
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