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Juan Pierre - Chicago White Sox
Birthdate:8/14/1977 Bats/Throws:L/L Height/Weight:5-10/187 Position:OF  
4/28/2010 - A Pair Using Whiffle Bats by R.J. Anderson (FanGraphs) 1
1/22/2010 - Three True Outcomes Trailers, 2007-2009 by Matt Klaassen (FanGraphs) 14
12/16/2009 - Juan Pierre on the South Side by Matt Klaassen (FanGraphs) 54


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SeasonTeamGPAHHRRRBISBBB%K%ISOBABIPAVGOBPSLGwOBAwRC+FldWAR
Total
Postseason
- - -
- - -
1533
26
6514
90
1764
24
13
0
861
16
410
7
497
3
5.7 %
8.9 %
6.2 %
5.1 %
.069
.114
.315
.320
.298
.304
.346
.375
.367
.418
.323
.322
93
98
48.1
 
21.2
 
2000Rockies51219620262075.9 %7.5 %.010.333.310.353.320.303543.0-0.2
2001Rockies156683202210855466.0 %4.7 %.088.341.327.378.415.353984.02.6
2002Rockies15264017019035474.8 %8.8 %.056.314.287.332.343.3127414.81.7
2003Marlins162747204110041657.4 %5.2 %.067.320.305.361.373.33510910.14.5
    2003Marlins178322012739.6 %5.5 %.110.319.301.378.411.325103  
2004Marlins162748221310049456.0 %5.2 %.081.340.326.374.407.343113-3.93.5
2005Marlins16271918129647575.7 %6.9 %.078.293.276.326.354.30992-1.41.8
2006Cubs16275020438740584.3 %5.4 %.096.305.292.330.388.3198814.22.9
2007Dodgers16272919609641644.5 %5.5 %.060.310.293.331.353.317931.12.1
2008Dodgers (AAA)283020025.0 %16.7 %.167.600.500.625.667.564242  
2008Dodgers11940610614428405.4 %6.4 %.045.299.283.327.328.30486-3.10.0
    2008Dodgers24202000.0 %0.0 %.250.500.500.500.750.410156  
2009Dodgers14542511705731306.4 %7.1 %.084.331.308.365.392.3381092.21.8
    2009Dodgers73002000.0 %0.0 %.000.000.000.000.000.000-100  
2010Bill James13143411915627305.8 %6.6 %.064.310.291.342.355.31087  
2010CHONE14053814126634345.2 %7.5 %.081.300.280.325.361.310873.71.6
2010Marcel 45311725633346.0 %8.8 %.076.307.285.336.361.31691  
2010Fans (115)14364717817959405.4 %7.2 %.066.311.291.336.357.316911.01.4
2010ZiPS 46812516533386.0 %6.7 %.069.307.288.339.357.31993  
2010White Sox10044810105723386.9 %7.1 %.033.277.257.330.290.296787.10.5
2010ZiPS (R) 2035102813176.4 %7.0 %.043.293.274.333.317.303   
2010ZiPS (U) 63915208536556.9 %7.1 %.036.282.263.331.299.298   

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SeasonTeamGABPAH1B2B3BHRRRBIBBIBBSOHBPSFSHGDPSBCSAVG
Total
Postseason
- - -
- - -
1533
26
5926
79
6514
90
1764
24
1461
17
210
5
80
2
13
0
861
16
410
7
371
8
8
2
365
4
79
1
14
0
122
2
75
0
497
3
167
5
.298
.304
2000Rockies512002196260200262013015114276.310
2001Rockies1566176832021632611210855411291011464617.327
2002Rockies152592640170144205190353105290874712.287
2003Marlins16266874720416828711004155135531596520.305
    2003Marlins1773832216420127824101034.301
2004Marlins162678748221184221231004945135821594524.326
2005Marlins162656719181147191329647411459210105717.276
2006Cubs16269975020415632133874032038811065820.292
2007Dodgers16266872919616424809641330376220106415.293
2008Dodgers (AAA)2683210020201000100.500
2008Dodgers11937540610693102144282212431534012.283
    2008Dodgers2442110020000000001.500
2009Dodgers14538042511793168057312732781973012.308
    2009Dodgers7230000020000001000.000
2010Bill James131409434119991541562725 27    3012.291
2010CHONE1405045381411102362663428 386   3412.280
2010Marcel 41045311795155256332723652963411.285
2010Fans (115)143612647178148218179593534482  4010.291
2010ZiPS 4344681251021751653328 296   3813.288
2010White Sox1003934481018911105723310281201263812.257
2010ZiPS (R) 1862035144610281313 1341  176.274
2010ZiPS (U) 5796391521331720853644 41161  5518.263

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SeasonTeamBB%K%BB/KOBPSLGOPSISOSpdBABIPwRCwRAAwOBAwRC+
Total
Postseason
- - -
- - -
5.7 %
8.9 %
6.2 %
5.1 %
1.02
2.00
.346
.375
.367
.418
.713
.793
.069
.114
7.4
7.0
.315
.320
768.3
10.3
-28.8
-0.7
.323
.322
93
98
2000Rockies5.9 %7.5 %0.87.353.320.673.0103.7.33321.5-7.2.30354
    2000Average9.6 %18.7 %0.58.345.437.782.1675.0.30065.90.0.341100
2001Rockies6.0 %4.7 %1.41.378.415.793.0887.6.34199.514.8.35398
    2001Average8.5 %19.5 %0.49.332.427.759.1635.0.29662.30.0.327100
2002Rockies4.8 %8.8 %0.60.332.343.675.0567.3.31469.5-7.4.31274
    2002Average8.7 %19.0 %0.52.331.417.748.1554.8.29360.20.0.326100
2003Marlins7.4 %5.2 %1.57.361.373.734.0677.1.32096.24.6.335109
    2003Marlins9.6 %5.5 %2.00.378.411.789.1106.4.31910.0-0.2.325103
    2003Average8.5 %18.5 %0.52.333.422.755.1584.9.29461.60.0.328100
2004Marlins6.0 %5.2 %1.29.374.407.781.0816.8.340100.88.1.343113
    2004Average8.6 %19.0 %0.51.335.428.763.1624.9.29762.20.0.330100
2005Marlins5.7 %6.9 %0.91.326.354.680.0788.2.29376.4-9.8.30992
    2005Average8.2 %18.4 %0.50.330.419.749.1544.9.29560.20.0.326100
2006Cubs4.3 %5.4 %0.84.330.388.717.0967.7.30586.2-7.9.31988
    2006Average8.4 %18.9 %0.50.337.432.768.1635.0.30163.00.0.332100
2007Dodgers4.5 %5.5 %0.89.331.353.685.0607.6.31081.2-9.0.31793
    2007Average8.5 %19.2 %0.50.336.423.758.1555.2.30362.10.0.331100
2008Dodgers (AAA)25.0 %16.7 %2.00.625.6671.292.1672.0.6002.61.5.564242
2008Dodgers5.4 %6.4 %0.92.327.328.655.0456.3.29940.6-8.3.30486
    2008Dodgers0.0 %0.0 %0.00.500.7501.250.2505.0.5000.80.3.410156
    2008Average8.7 %19.7 %0.50.333.416.749.1525.1.30060.40.0.328100
2009Dodgers6.4 %7.1 %1.00.365.392.757.0847.9.33154.33.4.338109
    2009Dodgers0.0 %0.0 %0.00.000.000.000.0000.1.000-0.5-0.8.000-100
    2009Average8.9 %20.3 %0.49.333.418.751.1555.0.29960.20.0.329100
2010Bill James5.8 %6.6 %0.93.342.355.697.0646.5.31045.1-6.9.31087
2010CHONE5.2 %7.5 %0.74.325.361.686.0816.8.30056.2-8.3.31087
2010Marcel6.0 %8.8 %0.75.336.361.697.0767.3.30749.4-4.9.31691
2010Fans (115)5.4 %7.2 %0.80.336.357.693.0667.1.31171.4-7.1.31691
2010ZiPS6.0 %6.7 %0.97.339.357.696.0697.3.30752.1-3.9.31993
2010White Sox6.9 %7.1 %1.11.330.290.620.0336.5.27741.9-10.2.29678
    2010Average8.6 %20.4 %0.47.328.407.735.1475.0.29936.70.0.324100
2010ZiPS (R)6.4 %7.0 %1.00.333.317.651.0436.7.29320.1-3.5.303 
2010ZiPS (U)6.9 %7.1 %1.07.331.299.630.0366.5.28260.9-13.4.298 

Batted Ball
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SeasonTeamGB/FBLD%GB%FB%IFFB%HR/FBIFH%BUH%
Total *
Postseason
- - -
- - -
2.49
1.88
21.4 %
30.0 %
56.1 %
45.7 %
22.5 %
24.3 %
9.2 %
0.0 %
1.1 %
0.0 %
8.0 %
9.4 %
34.2 %
28.6 %
2002Rockies3.1419.3 %61.2 %19.5 %8.4 %1.1 %7.4 %39.3 %
2003Marlins2.9622.3 %58.1 %19.6 %6.4 %0.9 %5.2 %34.8 %
    2003Marlins1.7128.1 %45.3 %26.6 %0.0 %0.0 %6.9 %33.3 %
2004Marlins2.3820.8 %55.8 %23.5 %18.6 %2.1 %11.4 %38.1 %
2005Marlins2.8125.5 %54.9 %19.6 %12.0 %1.9 %7.6 %40.8 %
2006Cubs2.3221.0 %55.2 %23.8 %7.4 %2.0 %8.7 %42.9 %
2007Dodgers2.0320.6 %53.2 %26.2 %9.1 %0.0 %6.1 %28.8 %
2008Dodgers2.3424.0 %53.2 %22.8 %4.1 %1.4 %9.2 %34.4 %
    2008Dodgers1.0075.0 %25.0 %0.0 %0.0 %0.0 %100.0 %0.0 %
2009Dodgers2.1024.2 %51.3 %24.5 %4.8 %0.0 %8.0 %10.0 %
    2009Dodgers2.000.0 %100.0 %0.0 %0.0 %0.0 %0.0 %0.0 %
2010White Sox2.5613.9 %61.9 %24.2 %7.3 %0.0 %9.5 %15.8 %

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SeasonTeamGBFBLDIFFBIFHBUBUHBallsStrikesPitches
Total *
Postseason
- - -
- - -
2475
32
995
17
944
21
92
0
199
3
489
7
167
2
6694
111
13013
210
19707
321
2002Rockies2989594822612466714192086
2003Marlins326110125717893190716612568
    2003Marlins2917180262103194297
2004Marlins3331401242638632490517302635
2005Marlins3031081411323712992617372663
2006Cubs3441481311130492184917672616
2007Dodgers3121541211419661982816552483
2008Dodgers1737478316321147810151493
    2008Dodgers10301005914
2009Dodgers17684834142025229521474
    2009Dodgers20000103710
2010White Sox210824762038661210771689

Win Probability
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SeasonTeamWPA-WPA+WPARE24REWpLIphLIPHWPA/LIClutch
Total *
Postseason
- - -
- - -
-0.11
0.30
-110.05
-1.40
109.93
1.69
-10.20
3.30
-0.34
0.34
0.96
1.16
1.16
1.26
104
4
-5.02
0.13
4.90
0.13
2000Rockies-0.32-4.053.73-5.77-0.530.990.923-0.600.28
2001Rockies0.94-11.7812.723.540.600.991.0560.190.76
2002Rockies-2.43-11.188.75-18.25-1.700.921.379-2.42-0.21
2003Marlins2.40-11.7814.183.620.540.960.4310.891.62
    2003Marlins0.34-1.271.613.250.331.17 00.110.18
2004Marlins2.51-11.6014.1122.702.420.94 01.321.36
2005Marlins-0.38-12.4712.09-0.95-0.140.960.602-0.970.57
2006Cubs-0.95-12.3311.38-5.45-0.590.90 0-0.84-0.21
2007Dodgers-1.42-13.0911.67-12.77-1.231.02 0-1.02-0.36
2008Dodgers0.53-6.687.202.590.261.001.1431-0.611.13
    2008Dodgers0.02-0.060.090.560.060.730.0010.06-0.03
2009Dodgers-0.05-7.387.339.130.830.991.17510.29-0.34
    2009Dodgers-0.06-0.060.00-0.52-0.061.681.683-0.040.01
2010White Sox-0.94-7.736.78-8.61-0.800.982.891-1.240.28

Pitch Type
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SeasonTeamFBSLCTCBCHSFKNXXPO
Total *
- - -
69.3% (89.9)
10.4% (81.8)
1.8% (86.5)
8.3% (75.3)
8.8% (81.3)
1.1% (83.9)
0.2% (68.0)
4.2%
0.1%
2002Rockies70.1% (89.6)11.1% (81.1) 8.5% (75.8)8.0% (80.1)1.7% (83.0)0.5% (66.5)12.4% 
2003Marlins71.5% (89.5)8.2% (82.4) 8.2% (76.1)10.6% (81.0)0.9% (83.6)0.6% (67.8)2.6% 
2004Marlins69.7% (90.0)10.1% (82.2)0.7% (86.7)8.7% (75.4)9.5% (81.2)1.0% (83.9)0.2% (65.7)9.3% 
2005Marlins69.3% (89.8)10.3% (81.9)0.9% (85.6)8.2% (75.6)10.0% (81.1)1.3% (84.0) 3.2% 
2006Cubs67.8% (90.1)12.3% (81.3)3.3% (85.7)8.5% (74.9)7.0% (81.6)1.1% (84.9)0.0% (74.0)2.0%0.1%
2007Dodgers67.0% (89.0)10.2% (80.7)3.2% (86.3)9.6% (73.7)9.2% (80.6)0.7% (84.6) 1.0%0.3%
2008Dodgers70.1% (90.0)11.0% (81.7)1.4% (83.3)8.0% (74.9)8.4% (82.0)1.2% (83.5) 1.3%0.4%
2009Dodgers68.6% (90.6)11.3% (82.4)3.1% (86.7)8.6% (76.3)7.0% (82.1)1.4% (83.1) 2.4% 
2010White Sox70.5% (91.0)9.3% (82.7)4.9% (88.5)5.6% (76.4)8.7% (83.1)0.9% (84.4)0.1% (83.0)2.1% 

Pitch Type Values
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SeasonTeamwFBwSLwCTwCBwCHwSFwKNwFB/CwSL/CwCT/CwCB/CwCH/CwSF/CwKN/C
Total *
- - -
2.0
-15.1
3.9
0.4
2.4
-4.0
0.6
0.02
-0.77
1.12
0.03
0.14
-1.93
1.84
2002Rockies-1.5-4.2 -2.2-0.2-1.2
-0.7
-0.12-2.05 -1.41-0.14-3.93-7.82
2003Marlins-3.45.5 3.90.60.2
1.6
-0.192.68 1.880.210.7810.92
2004Marlins19.5-1.5-0.33.20.60.4
-0.2
1.17-0.64-1.791.550.271.60-5.23
2005Marlins-1.7-4.30.9-3.0-0.20.3
 
-0.09-1.633.78-1.42-0.080.97 
2006Cubs14.1-5.30.2-3.62.1-1.1
0.0
0.81-1.670.23-1.671.16-3.944.16
2007Dodgers-8.6-3.72.0-2.33.9-2.6
 
-0.52-1.502.62-0.981.73-14.38 
2008Dodgers-7.6-1.7-0.92.91.6-0.8
 
-0.74-1.07-4.292.471.32-4.43 
2009Dodgers7.8-2.80.60.5-4.40.6
 
0.79-1.711.260.40-4.323.20 
2010White Sox-16.62.91.41.1-1.60.1
-0.2
-1.431.911.671.17-1.120.62-21.62

Plate Discipline
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SeasonTeamO-Swing%Z-Swing%Swing%O-Contact%Z-Contact%Contact%Zone%F-Strike%SwStr%
Total *
- - -
23.3 %
59.6 %
43.1 %
84.3 %
95.5 %
92.7 %
54.5 %
59.0 %
2.9 %
2002Rockies19.9 %69.0 %49.8 %66.3 %92.5 %88.4 %60.9 %61.1 %4.8 %
    2002Average18.1 %70.1 %46.5 %47.4 %85.2 %78.5 %54.6 %58.3 %9.8 %
2003Marlins18.5 %61.2 %42.2 %77.3 %92.8 %89.7 %55.4 %58.2 %3.4 %
    2003Average22.2 %68.8 %46.2 %51.9 %87.5 %79.2 %51.4 %58.6 %9.5 %
2004Marlins14.5 %59.6 %41.6 %86.3 %94.8 %93.6 %60.0 %59.3 %2.7 %
    2004Average16.6 %69.6 %45.8 %53.7 %85.1 %80.0 %55.1 %58.4 %9.0 %
2005Marlins18.2 %56.9 %40.4 %80.8 %95.3 %92.5 %57.3 %58.0 %3.0 %
    2005Average20.3 %68.0 %46.0 %51.8 %88.3 %80.8 %53.8 %59.1 %8.7 %
2006Cubs25.0 %59.2 %44.5 %86.0 %98.1 %95.2 %57.1 %62.6 %2.1 %
    2006Average23.5 %66.6 %46.1 %57.4 %88.5 %81.0 %52.6 %58.8 %8.5 %
2007Dodgers29.8 %59.8 %42.7 %90.0 %97.2 %94.3 %42.9 %60.4 %2.3 %
    2007Average25.0 %66.6 %45.9 %60.8 %88.2 %80.8 %50.3 %58.7 %8.6 %
2008Dodgers31.8 %55.7 %44.4 %87.4 %96.8 %93.6 %52.6 %59.1 %2.8 %
    2008Average25.4 %65.4 %45.9 %61.7 %87.9 %80.8 %51.1 %58.6 %8.6 %
2009Dodgers25.5 %58.4 %42.5 %84.1 %97.0 %93.2 %51.7 %57.7 %2.8 %
    2009Average25.1 %66.0 %45.3 %61.7 %87.8 %80.5 %49.3 %58.2 %8.6 %
2010White Sox28.3 %52.9 %40.7 %90.0 %97.7 %95.1 %50.5 %51.8 %1.9 %
    2010Average28.9 %64.3 %45.5 %66.5 %88.2 %80.9 %47.0 %58.8 %8.4 %

Fielding
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SeasonTeamPosGGSInnPOAEFETEDPDPSDPTDPFScpSBCSPBWPFPTZ
Total
Total
Total
- - -
- - -
- - -
LF
CF
OF
268
1192
1460
224
1143
1367
2074.1
10174.1
12248.2
434
2739
3173
3
34
37
4
28
32
3
15
18
1
2
3
0
12
12
0
11
11
0
0
0
0
0
0
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
.991
.990
.990
11
-27
-16
2008DodgersLF8471622.2125
0
32
1
000
0
 
   
 
.977
7
2009DodgersLF9463653.1128
1
00
0
000
0
 
   
 
1.000
4
2010White SoxLF9090798.1181
2
11
0
000
0
 
   
 
.995
 
2000RockiesCF5043404.2115
2
3 
 
0  
 
 
   
 
.975
3
2001RockiesCF1541401257.2362
4
8 
 
1  
 
 
   
 
.979
4
2002RockiesCF1481331195.2363
2
22
0
110
0
 
   
 
.995
3
2003MarlinsCF1611611433.1402
6
33
0
550
0
 
   
 
.993
-12
2004MarlinsCF1621621439.0364
3
22
0
110
0
 
   
 
.995
-10
2005MarlinsCF1601551383.0332
7
43
1
330
0
 
   
 
.988
-16
2006CubsCF1621621426.0379
5
00
0
000
0
 
   
 
1.000
19
2007DodgersCF1621601416.2366
4
54
1
000
0
 
   
 
.987
-15
2008DodgersCF1814116.128
1
00
0
110
0
 
   
 
1.000
2
2009DodgersCF1513102.028
0
11
0
000
0
 
   
 
.966
-5
2008DodgersOF10285739.0153
1
32
1
110
0
 
   
 
.981
9
2009DodgersOF10976755.1156
1
11
0
000
0
 
   
 
.994
-1

Advanced Fielding
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SeasonTeamPosrSBrBUrGDPrARMrHRrPMDRSBIZPlaysRZROOZTZLArmDPRRngRErrRUZRUZR/150
Total
Total
Total
- - -
- - -
- - -
LF
CF
OF
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
-6
-19
-25
5
2
7
6
18
24
5
1
6
366
1812
2178
331
1549
1880
.904
.855
.863
103
320
423
16.2
-6.4
9.8
-5.3
-37.2
-42.5
 
 
 
11.8
64.0
75.8
1.6
6.2
7.8
8.2
33.0
41.1
6.6
5.7
6.0
2008DodgersLF   -323
2
10594.895
31
8.2
-2.0 -0.7-0.4-3.1-6.4
2009DodgersLF   -104
3
111101.910
27
8.0
-1.2 4.31.04.19.4
2010White SoxLF   -23-1
0
150136.907
45
 
-2.1 8.31.07.115.0
2002RockiesCF      
 
   
 
 
-5.6 18.71.814.815.3
2003MarlinsCF   -2011
9
393315.802
76
 
-5.4 14.41.110.19.1
2004MarlinsCF   -607
1
346289.835
56
 
-8.1 2.61.6-3.9-4.9
2005MarlinsCF   -20-11
-13
344276.802
56
-15.9
-3.0 1.00.6-1.4-1.0
2006CubsCF   -427
5
353327.926
52
20.6
-5.5 17.81.914.214.1
2007DodgersCF   -405
1
334303.907
63
-8.1
-7.5 9.2-0.61.11.9
2008DodgersCF   101
2
2322.957
6
2.1
-0.9 0.80.10.0-0.3
2009DodgersCF   -20-2
-4
1917.895
11
-5.1
-1.2 -0.5-0.2-1.9-21.2
2008DodgersOF   -224
4
128116.906
37
10.3
-2.9 0.0-0.2-3.1-5.5
2009DodgersOF   -302
-1
130118.908
38
2.9
-2.3 3.80.82.24.4

Value
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SeasonTeamBattingFieldingReplacementPositionalRARWARDollarsSalary
Total *
- - -
-55.5
48.1
217.1
5.7
215.4
21.2
 
 
2000Rockies-13.73.07.30.7-2.7-0.2  
2001Rockies-2.04.022.82.227.02.6  
2002Rockies-21.214.821.32.117.01.7$4.4$0.6
2003Marlins8.710.124.92.546.14.5$12.7$1.0
2004Marlins12.2-3.924.92.535.83.5$10.8$2.4
2005Marlins-7.0-1.424.02.417.91.8$6.1$3.7
2006Cubs-11.714.225.02.429.92.9$10.7$5.8
2007Dodgers-6.71.124.32.421.12.1$8.5$7.5
2008Dodgers-7.0-3.113.5-3.10.30.0$0.1$8.0
2009Dodgers4.72.214.2-3.217.91.8$8.0 
2010CHONE-8.33.717.92.215.61.6$7.0 
2010Fans (115)-7.11.021.6-1.513.91.4$6.3 
2010White Sox-11.87.114.9-5.15.20.5$2.1 

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Tuesday, December 15, 2009
News: Pierre has been traded to the White Sox for two minor league pitchers with the Dodgers paying for half his remaining salary, Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports reports.
Analysis: Pierre should slot as one of the White Sox' everyday outfielders and leadoff man, which would be a huge fantasy upgrade over his platoon role in LA. He should get the green light on the base paths often under Ozzie Guillen's command.
Monday, June 15, 2009
News: Pierre will return to the bench once Manny Ramirez returns from his 50-game suspension in early July, the LA Daily News reports.
Analysis: And Ethier and Kemp owners can breathe a sign of relief. Pierre is batting a healthy .343/.405/.436, but is also batting just .222 since May 28. Expect him to perhaps start, at best, once or twice a week once Manny returns.
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