2014 Trade Deadline Live Blog

2:45
Dave Cameron: So, we’re 75 minutes from the deadline, and most of the big moves have probably already happened, but we’ll spend the next couple of hours live blogging the rest of the run up to 4 pm, and the spillover that happens after. Come hang out with us.
2:58
Dave Cameron: Alright, I’ve got the chat on one screen and Twitter on another, so let’s chat for a while.
2:58
Dave Cameron: Plan is to go for a few hours, but things could change depending on what breaks. if David Price gets moved, I’ll have to go write about that, so we’ll see.
2:59
Dave Cameron: And, as you guys probably guessed, the queue is very full. Please don’t be mad if your questions don’t get answered.
2:59
Paul Swydan: Dave, I heard we traded Cistulli and a package of interns to the Rays for David Price? True, false?
3:00
Dave Cameron: And we have news: Asdrubal Cabrera has been traded somewhere.

3:00
Dave Cameron: And Andrew Miller is going to Baltimore, apparently.
3:00
Paul Swydan: Well look at that, an AL East team trying to compete gets in the game.
3:01
Dave Cameron: Looks like Asdrubal is going to the Nationals.
3:01
Comment From Walker
What do you think of the Mariners acquiring Chris Denforia, will it be that much of an upgrade? Also do you think the Mariners will make another move?
3:01
3:02
Comment From Ardent Rays Fan
Nationals? Where does Rendon or Zimmerman play?
3:02
Paul Swydan: Well, Zimmerman is hurt.
3:02
Dave Cameron: Zim is hurt, so Rendon will play third and Asdrubal will platoon with Espinosa at second.
3:03
Comment From Shannon
Rumor is that the Cardinals are still in on Price. On a scale of 1 to Gary Busey, how insane would them landing him be?
3:03
Dave Cameron: Yeah, not buying it. They didn’t need three new starters.
3:04
Comment From The Oberamtmann
If the Bosox are so focused on next year, why not keep Lackey given how cheap he’ll be?
3:04
Dave Cameron: Alex Speier says Red Sox get Eduardo Rodriguez for Andrew Miller. Rodriguez was apparently off limits a year ago.
3:04
Paul Swydan: I think there is concern that Lackey would make waves and/or would retire.
3:05
Dave Cameron: Cleveland getting Zach Walters in return for Cabrera. Walters has power but very raw. Sean Rodriguez upside.
3:05
Comment From Dan
Cubs the #1 trade deadline winner, no?
3:06
Dave Cameron: Probably, but still time for that to change.
3:06
Comment From A
I’m trying to imagine as a rational (or even irrational actor) what the Phillies are thinking. Thoughts? Even job protection can’t seem to justify this – couldn’t they have tried a reload-esque deal the way the RedSox are attempting?
3:06
Dave Cameron: They don’t understand how to value players.
3:06
Comment From Jamie
Why have the $500,00 final year if Lackey won’t honor it?
3:07
Dave Cameron: It still gives you leverage. At the worst, he’ll sign a below market extension, most likely.
3:07
Comment From chuckb
Re: the Phils, is it possible ownership won’t let RAJ trade anyone w/o a huge return b/c they want to rebuild in the offseason with a new GM?
3:07
Dave Cameron: Anything is possible. Based on what we know about how Ruben Amaro values players, though, it seems more likely that he just doesn’t know how to read the market.
3:07
Comment From Jake
If a player retires with money left n his contract, does he just walk away from it? Isn’t that a breach of contract? If Mike Trout wanted to retire this year, would the Angels just say, “Okay”?
3:08
Dave Cameron: You can’t force someone to work. If they retire, they forfeit their salary, but they have every right to do so.
3:09
Comment From Nated Nookie
But I bet the Angels would say less family-friendly things than “okay”!
3:09
Dave Cameron: Agree.
3:09
Comment From The Oberamtmann
What do you think of the returns? Seems high for Miller, low for Cleveland.
3:09
Dave Cameron: Andrew Miller is awesome. Walters for Cabrera seems fair to me.
3:09
Comment From JDB
How much of an upgrade is Asdrubal Cabrera for the Nats at 2B?
3:10
Dave Cameron: Maybe a win. Espinosa against RHPs is quite bad.
3:10
Comment From Clint
Are you hearing that Oakland may move Hammel?
3:10
Dave Cameron: It would make some sense.
3:11
Comment From Spencer
In your estimation, how long before Lindor is up with the Indians?
3:11
Dave Cameron: Next year.
3:11
Comment From Mike
Guesses on David Price? If he is traded? If so where and for what? Go!
3:12
Dave Cameron: Only spot left that makes a lot of sense is PIT. If they can rent him for the next few months, then flip him this winter for 75% of what they paid, worth doing.
3:12
Comment From Josh
Given what we know about pitchers performance and health, what do you think of the Sox basically hoarding a bunch of young guys with upside for next year? Maybe they sign a Scherzer/Lester type, but thats a lot of young arms they have
3:12
Dave Cameron: The best way to find a good starting pitcher is to acquire 10 of them.
3:13
Comment From Guest
Am I the only Dodger sitting here waiting for the next 48 minutes to go by think, “don’t make a trade. don’t make a trade. don’t make a trade.” ?
3:13
Dave Cameron: You should want them to get a reliever or two.
3:13
Comment From Aaron
How do you think Red Sox juggle OF positions with Holt, Victorino, Craig, Cespedes, Bradley, etc.?
3:13
Dave Cameron: Guessing they rotate through four or five guys this year, with Victorino and Holt losing the most time after Craig acquisition, and then someone gets traded this winter.
3:14
Comment From Spa City
Have you seen a team sell off assets quite like the 2014 Red Sox? To wit: with such a direct focus on the following year.
3:14
Dave Cameron: The 2012 Red Sox, maybe?
3:14
Comment From brandon
Are the indians giving up on this year?
3:14
Dave Cameron: Pretty much, yeah.
3:14
Comment From ryan
Can you explain why the Cubs are big winners?
3:14
Dave Cameron: Addisson Russell is awesome.
3:14
Comment From Triple Fake Jim Bowden
Who’s the player that should be traded this deadline, but won’t be?
3:15
Dave Cameron: Cole Hamels and Jorge de la Rosa.
3:15
Comment From Dave
If Latos really is available. Toronto needs to be all over that yeah? Sanchez+ get it done?
3:15
Dave Cameron: If Latos was really available, Sanchez wouldn’t even get the phone answered.
3:15
Comment From Jamie
What is with the Indians/Mariners difference in approach, given the relative similarity of their playoff odds?
3:16
Dave Cameron: One team is desperate to win, the other isn’t.
3:16
Comment From Ben
Chances Lester comes back to Boston in the offseason?
3:16
Dave Cameron: I’d guess 25%
3:16
Comment From GregL_PDX
All the Rays trade talk is on Price, but with the lack of hitters available, why isn’t there any chatter about Zobrist?
3:16
Dave Cameron: Because he’s good and cheap next year.
3:16
Comment From Bret
Mark Feinsand says the Tigers are the frontrunners for Price. How on earth would they pull that off?
3:16
Dave Cameron: Guessing Drew Smyly would be involved.
3:17
Jeff Sullivan: So what’s going on in here?
3:17
Dave Cameron: Oh, you know, just focusing on Chris Denorfia.
3:17
Jeff Sullivan: #MarinersChats
3:17
Comment From Brett
Got writers saying the Red Sox are done dealing after the Andrew Miller trade. Shouldn’t they clear up their OF logjam?
3:17
Dave Cameron: That can wait until the off-season.
3:18
Comment From Stanatee the Manatee
I know it’s off topic, but I am loving Instagraphs for stuff like the minor trades today.
3:18
Dave Cameron: This was one of the main reasons we created it. No one wants 1,000 words on Alex Rios.
3:19
Jeff Sullivan: Or John Danks
3:19
Dave Cameron: No one wants 100 words on John Danks.
3:19
Jeff Sullivan: John Danks to the Marlins is going to be the perfect Marlins deadline buyer move
3:19
Jeff Sullivan: I stand by writing up a full post on Sam Fuld because he is not a bad baseball player and the A’s are super interesting
3:19
Dave Cameron: Yeah, that trade wasn’t just about Sam Fuld, and was worth the post.
3:19
Dave Cameron: I endorse the length, as I set myself up for all kinds of jokes.
3:20
Comment From Alex
Is there a reason that the Diamondbacks didn’t just fire KT in like June, sign a replacement, and let that new guy run the deadline?
3:20
Dave Cameron: Teams don’t really like letting their smart AGM types leave mid-season.
3:20
Dave Cameron: Same reason Padres haven’t hired anyone yet.
3:21
Comment From Salty Dog
Mistake by the Red Sox to get just one year of Cespedes versus prospects for Lester? Seems like it’s not a great return for what might be the best rental of the deadline.
3:21
Jeff Sullivan: Red Sox don’t ever want to have a season in which they don’t contend. They’ll be able to win again in 2015, and Cespedes is going to help toward that end
3:21
Dave Cameron: Last year’s Rangers screw-up aside, rentals aren’t that valuable as trade chips.
3:21
Jeff Sullivan: Greinke got Segura+, but then how good is Segura, really?
3:22
Dave Cameron: Maybe an average SS
3:22
Dave Cameron: But yeah.
3:22
Comment From Tim
What are the chances the Marlins sign Santon longterm? If they really were serious why wouldn’t they just do it now?
3:22
Jeff Sullivan: Players don’t like to sign extensions midseason and Stanton presumably wanted to see the Marlins prove they weren’t going to totally suck.
3:22
Dave Cameron: Yeah, you can’t force him to sign.
3:23
Dave Cameron: But they can try by giving him $175 million this winter and making him turn it down/.
3:23
Comment From Guest
Royals and Dayton Moore doing nothing. Awesome?
3:23
Jeff Sullivan: For the record, I think it’s important to note the difference between doing nothing and not making any trades
3:23
Jeff Sullivan: Pat Gillick used to do nothing
3:24
Dave Cameron: He would literally vacation on deadline day.
3:24
Dave Cameron: Like, not be in the office.
3:24
Jeff Sullivan: the best
3:24
Comment From Tony
When exactly is the deadline for trades to be into the league office?
3:24
Dave Cameron: 3:59:59.
3:24
Comment From burr
segura might be bad, but it’s not like he wasn’t thought highly of at the time, right?
3:24
Jeff Sullivan: No. 55 prospect before the season. Good, short of elite
3:25
Dave Cameron: Right. That’s about as good a guy as you’re going to get for a rental.
3:25
Jeff Sullivan: I’d rather have Cespedes than a No. 55 prospect
3:25
Dave Cameron: Depends on the team
3:25
Jeff Sullivan: *if I’m the Red Sox
3:25
Dave Cameron: Red Sox, maybe. Rebuilder? No.
3:25
Comment From Anton
When teams make trades, do they do it online like we would trade fantasy players? How does it work?
3:25
Dave Cameron: It’s like 99% texting now, with some phone calls and emails worked in.
3:26
Comment From Jason Segel, Hawaii
heard a rumor that there’s a massive aol-chatroom type chat and no one tells the mets+phils
3:26
Comment From Rentals
Beltran got Wheeler for the Mets!
3:26
Dave Cameron: The Mets and Phillies use an actual AOL chat room.
3:27
Comment From Ira
If any team really wanted to get Price and Zobrist, the Pirates would be most able/likely to get that done, true or false?
3:27
Jeff Sullivan: Right now, Pirates. Used to be maybe Cardinals. Mariners would be in the mix
3:27
Dave Cameron: Yeah, PIT would be best fit.
3:27
Comment From Anton
How does the final trade become official? Like, how do you notify the MLB that you’ve made an official trade?
3:27
Dave Cameron: Both sides have to send confirmation to the commissioner’s office.
3:28
Comment From Jason Segel, Hawaii
Is Cistulli even paying attention to the deadline or is he knee deep in the futbol transfer window instead?
3:28
Jeff Sullivan: Carson possesses an unusual set of interests
3:28
Dave Cameron: I think he’s probably watching Corey Kluber’s start on loop.
3:28
Jeff Sullivan: In his defense, who wouldn’t be
3:29
Dave Cameron: I’ve said this before, but his pitching prospect picks have actually done pretty well.
3:29
Dave Cameron: Kluber, Garrett Richards, Jesse Hahn…
3:29
Jeff Sullivan: Carson is our top minor-league expert, turns out
3:29
Comment From Carson Cistulli
Is that confirmation to the commissioner’s office what has to be done by the deadline time?
3:29
Dave Cameron: Correct.
3:30
Comment From Guest
Once this madness ends, who are the waiver wire trade candidates?
3:30
Jeff Sullivan: The expensive guys, like Cliff Lee
3:30
Dave Cameron: Cliff Lee, Bartolo Colon, Josh Willingham.
3:30
Comment From Aaron
I recall in past years trades being announced by MLB after the deadline due to processing time. Is that unlikely now with social media?
3:31
Dave Cameron: That still happens. Teams don’t actually announce things for an hour or two after they break by “report” anyway.
3:31
Dave Cameron: So apparently there’s a three team trade for David Price that is nearly done.
3:31
Dave Cameron: Marc Topkin latest to report it.
3:32
Dave Cameron: Nightengale said Mariners and Tigers were involved in conversation with Rays last week.
3:32
Comment From Monty
How exactly do media members like Gammons, Olney, Rosenthal etc. break these trades? Are they non-stop texting gms hoping to get a response? Or are they friends with agents who tell them?
3:32
Dave Cameron: Friends with lots of people. They horse-trade and rack up a lot of favors.
3:33
Comment From Captain Obvious
Do teams ever screw up and say the wrong thing to the wrong team via phone/txt?
3:33
Jeff Sullivan: closest I can think of http://www.nj.com/phillies/…
    Dave Cameron: They’ve refuted that, for what its worth. 

3:33
Dave Cameron: There’s a legendary story about the Jason Varitek and Derek Lowe for Heathcliff Slocumb trade.
3:34
Dave Cameron: As the story goes, the Red Sox asked for either of them in exchange for Slocumb, but Woody Woodward thought they asked for both and said yes to that instea.d
3:34
Paul Swydan: Hi guys, here is my InstaGraphs post on the Miller-Rodriguez swap:

http://www.fangraphs.com/bl…

3:34
Jeff Sullivan: and here’s Taijuan Walker https://twitter.com/tai_wal…
3:35
Dave Cameron: Uggggh is the new Hugs.
3:35
Comment From Big Jgke
if there’s a 3 team deal for Price involving the M’s and Tigers, is the plan for him to be shared between those two cities?
3:35
Dave Cameron: Taking job share to another level.
3:35
Jeff Sullivan: Hypothetically, you rather deal Walker or Paxton?
3:35
Dave Cameron: Both.
3:36
Dave Cameron: I don’t like pitching prospects with command problems and shoulder issues.
3:36
Comment From Rays 7th Infielder
I feel like a deal to share Price between two cities would read like a visitation agreement.
3:37
Comment From Chris
What are the Giants doing? I don’t see how standing pat is the right move given their holes. Or are there so many holes, and so few chips, that they don’t have a choice?
3:37
Jeff Sullivan: Would you feel better if they made the Peavy trade today?
3:37
Dave Cameron: They got Dan Uggla!
3:38
Comment From Tripp
How soon after a trade is official is it typically reported by the media?
3:38
Dave Cameron: Sometimes a few minutes, sometimes a few hours.
3:38
Dave Cameron: On days like today, closer to minutes.
3:38
Dave Cameron: And often they get the scoop before deal is even done.
3:38
Paul Swydan: Yeah, it’s not like 2004 anymore, when we didn’t find out about the Nomar trade until nearly 5:30 ET.
3:38
Comment From Larry Bernandez
Red Sox gave up 2.5 WAR to acquire a package valued at -0.2 WAR. Neither player is a young prospect. Why didn’t they seek more?
3:39
Dave Cameron: Don’t use 2014 stats as a replacement for true talent estimtes.
3:39
Dave Cameron: estimates either.
3:39
Comment From Ryan
I get, I guess, why the Rockies don’t want to move Tulowitzki or Carlos Gonzalez. (Though if I was running the team, I’d look to move both.) But is the refusal to consider trading LaTroy Hawkins or Jose de la Rosa just evidence for how badly this organization is run?
3:39
Comment From Matt
What is the biggest steal of the trade deadline so far? Most confusing trade?
3:39
Dave Cameron: Ryan: Yes.
3:40
Dave Cameron: Matt: Parra for nothing is pretty nice.
3:40
Paul Swydan: Absolutely to Ryan.
3:41
Comment From Guest
chances that oakland a’s still can make a run at a 2B upgrade?
3:41
Dave Cameron: Not sure who is out there and a realistic acquisition.
3:42
Dave Cameron: Topkin says Price is only Rays player getting traded in three way deal, guessing its Tigers and Mariners.
3:42
Jeff Sullivan: I feel like between Callaspo, Punto, and Sogard, they ought to be able to mix and match *something*
3:42
Dave Cameron: Edes says Stephen Drew to NYY
3:42
Paul Swydan: Oh that makes me very happy. Bye Stephen Drew!!!!
3:42
Dave Cameron: Okay, let’s speculate on this three way thing.
3:42
Dave Cameron: Can’t imagine DET making deal to not get Price, so he goes there.
3:43
Dave Cameron: Rays like M’s young guys, so we’ll give them Franklin and Walker, plus some stuff, maybe?
3:43
Dave Cameron: And M’s get what from Detroit? Smyly?
3:43
Paul Swydan: Maybe Porcello?
3:43
Comment From Sadwick
That feels light for the M’s so far.
3:43
Dave Cameron: Agree. Maybe Austin Jackson?
3:44
Paul Swydan: Really light. Unless there’s no “some stuff”.
3:44
Jeff Sullivan: J.D. Martinez is giving the Tigers a bit of extra unexpected flexibility
3:44
Dave Cameron: With JD Martinez and Torii Hunter hitting, and Rajai Davis around, I could see Jackson as available.
3:44
Dave Cameron: Drew to NYY is official, per Buster Olney.
3:44
Paul Swydan: Of course, it could also be JD Martinez going to Seattle.
3:45
Dave Cameron: He’ll play second, one would assume.
3:45
Comment From trade addict
if price to the tigers does that mean DD panicking looking at As?
3:45
Jeff Sullivan: Maybe panicking looking at his own rotation
3:45
Dave Cameron: Don’t think a contender trying to get better is panicking.
3:46
Comment From Jake
Which writer is giggling the most whenever they read, “3-way”? I bet it’s Swydan
3:46
Dave Cameron: Have you met Eno Sarris?
3:47
Dave Cameron: There’s a fake Nightengale rumor about Price to Tigers and Zobrist to Pirates. Don’t buy it.
3:47
Dave Cameron: Seriously, people, just click on someone’s follower count to see if they’re real or not. The fakes have like 50 followers.
3:47
Paul Swydan: Trader Cherington has a nice ring to it.
3:47
Jeff Sullivan: Stephen Drew and Kendrys Morales combined: -1.2 WAR. Solid.
3:48
Comment From John
Any news on Yasmani Grandal being removed minutes before the first pitch
3:48
Dave Cameron: Maybe he forgot his steroids?
3:48
Jeff Sullivan: Price to Tigers, per Rosenthal
3:48
Dave Cameron: (Just kidding, Yasmani. Don’t sue me!)
3:48
Dave Cameron: And real Rosenthal reports Tigers get Price.
3:48
Dave Cameron: Which means that Jeff and I will be signing off to write soon. Hope you like chatting, Paul
3:49
Jeff Sullivan: Word is the M’s are getting Austin Jackson?
3:49
Dave Cameron: Mike Salk says Mariners getting OF from Detroit, thinks its Austin jackson.
3:50
Comment From Guest
Hey Jeff, where were the Tigers on your list of the teams to benefit most from acquiring Price?
3:50
Jeff Sullivan: I hope you like Tigers/A’s playoff series
3:51
Paul Swydan: Wel, Wiers will be happy, anyway.
3:51
Dave Cameron: I do like Tigers/A’s playoff series, actually.
3:51
Comment From Jim Lahey
Any thoughts on which FAs fill the Red Sox rotation next season? They’ve ditched 4 of their 5 SP for this season and that leaves them with Buchholz and rookies… doesn’t seem like the recipe to contend.
3:52
Paul Swydan: I think let’s see first which prospects get the call and which do well when they do. Ranaudo is up first.
3:52
Comment From KJ
What are the chances Lackey really plays for $500k next year?
3:52
Jeff Sullivan: Already said he’s going to
3:53
Paul Swydan: Did he? I dunno,if I was a betting man, I’d bet against it.
3:53
Comment From Los
So disappointed by the Pirates today…Feeling like a 3rd place finish now. Am I wrong?
3:53
Jeff Sullivan: Mariners talking about Denorfia in right. Saunders going away in a trade?
3:53
Dave Cameron: Or Saunders to center.
3:53
Comment From Frank
They just announced David Price to Detroit on FSD without any movement to pull Austin out of the game… Seems a bit weird if he was part of the deal.
3:53
Dave Cameron: Right, if he was in deal, think he wouldn’t be playing stil.
3:53
Paul Swydan: You’re not wrong to be disapointed today, but let’s hold off on flushing the season.
3:54
Dave Cameron: And now Heyman says its Jackson and Smyly.
3:54
Jeff Sullivan: Heyman says Jackson and Smyly involved
3:54
Dave Cameron: Okay, Jeff, you and I are out of here. Let’s meet on email!
3:54
Dave Cameron: Have fun Paul.
3:54
Jeff Sullivan: Bye everybody!
3:54
Paul Swydan: Thanks guys!
3:54
Comment From chuckb
Rosenthal reported Lackey said he would honor next year’s contract. That doesn’t mean the Cards won’t extend him.
3:55
Paul Swydan: My thoughts exactly. Catch more flies with honey, etc.
3:55
Comment From Jim
If it is Walker to TB, isn’t that a little light for Price?
3:56
Paul Swydan: I think it”s a little light for Seattle, who long coveted Price and stlll didn’t get him, but let’s wait until the deal is 100% done.
3:56
Comment From Bryan
How long before Amaro is fired?
3:56
Paul Swydan: Not sure he will be. Sorry.
3:56
Comment From person hscer
Is there a penalty on the books if an officially traded player plays for you before leaving?
3:57
Paul Swydan: I mean, that rulebook has a rule for everything, but that’d probably be tough to enforce.
3:57
Comment From Vin
Will Alex Anthopoulos’ job be in jeopardy if he makes no improvements and the Blue Jays miss the playoffs? It’s been quite a while since they’ve contended this late in the season, you’d think he’d want to capitalize…?
3:58
Paul Swydan: I don’t think so. I think E5 getting hurt changed the equation for them.
3:59
Comment From Josh
w/ Price & Lester gone. Any chance Hamels goes too?
3:59
Paul Swydan: Nope.
4:00
Paul Swydan: Rosenthal said no trades for Philly.
4:00
Paul Swydan: OK, sorry, was a bit tied up. Let’s move a little faster.
4:01
Comment From Jim
I would imagine using a player not on your roster is cause for forfeit.
4:01
Paul Swydan: There’s all sorts of communication issues though. Not like the GM is sitting in the dugout when he makes the deal.
4:02
Comment From Nate
Is the Stephen Drew trade just the Red Sox shedding salary?
4:02
Paul Swydan: I think it’s just telling him to go away. And making him play another position in the process. I think that’s a beautfiul thing.
4:02
Comment From Smyly-ing or frowning
Smyly in TB a good fit/better fit than in Det? ROS improvement to be expected?
4:02
Paul Swydan: Both pitchers parks. I don’t think it’d demonstrably better for Smyly, no.
4:03
Comment From Ryan
Well, in the Tigers-White Sox game, Dombrowski just DID go into the dugout and pull Austin Jackson.
4:03
Paul Swydan: OK, statement retracted!
4:03
Comment From Guest
Is Taijuan Walker part of the deal?
4:03
Paul Swydan: Unless I’m missing something, it looks like he was not in the trade.
4:04
Comment From Tripp
Looks like Walker is part of the deal
4:04
Comment From Nated Nookie
Does everyone realize that we’ll know all of these things in like one hour? Who cares if Paul knows at 4pm ET if Taijuan Walker was in the deal, just hold your horses.
4:04
Paul Swydan: I mean, I’m with you, but I also want to know right this second.
4:05
Paul Swydan: CBS says no Walker.

http://www.cbssports.com/ml…

4:05
Paul Swydan: Tigers get David Price
Rays get Drew Smyly & Nick Franklin
Mariners get Austin Jackson
4:05
Comment From JayT
Are the Rays really only getting Nick Franklin and Drew Smyly? That seems extremely light in comparison to the Cubs’ return for the Shark.
4:06
Paul Swydan: It does indeed. I mean, I like the idea of getting major leaguers instead of prospects, but I was expecting a better haul for Price. Dombrowski working miracles yet again.
4:06
Comment From Peter Gammons
Bonifacio and James Russell to the Braves, what do you expect the return to be?
4:06
Paul Swydan: Not much.
4:07
Paul Swydan: I would guess an arm that the Cubs may be valuing more than the Braves are.
4:07
Comment From Guest
lol that they keep calling Nick Franklin a “shortstop” prospect
4:07
Paul Swydan: Well the Rays job is to sell it. He’ll probably be at second base though. Doesn’t say much for Hak-Ju Lee.
4:07
Comment From austin
wait did this Boni and Russell deal actually happen?
4:07
Paul Swydan: Not sure, I’m chatting with you guys!
4:07
Comment From Guest
IS the Red Sox fire sale Marlin-esque? Or is it something new. Something good?
4:08
Paul Swydan: The Red Sox had a LOT of guys whose contracts expired after this season. That makes it more of a yard sale, I think.
4:08
Comment From JP
This is a huge win for the Mariners with how big of an upgrade Jackson is over Jones and only having to give up Franklin to do it, no?
4:08
Paul Swydan: That’s how I’m reading it at first blush, ya.
4:08
Comment From Ted
Any chance they just DFA Kelly Johnson right now?
4:09
Paul Swydan: I think there’s a good chance of that happening, but we’ll see. He’s not totally useless.
4:09
Comment From Tripp
Heyman just squashes the Walker rumor.
4:09
Paul Swydan: As in, quashes that he was dealt?
4:10
Paul Swydan: Looks like it.
4:10
Comment From Frank
So you think Detroit will seek some waiver wire outfield depth after the move? After JD, Raj and Torii the next guy the have is Don Kelly to play outfield…
4:10
Paul Swydan: Yeah, well that’s the elephant in the room for Detroit now, but upgrading from Smyly to Price is probably worth the extra scrambling they’ll have to do in the outfield. Thanks, JD Martinez!
4:10
Comment From Dave
Wonder if Jackson could play for Seattle tonight in Cleveland?
4:11
Paul Swydan: Not out of the realm of possibility, but my guess is he won’t be starting.
4:11
Comment From Tim
As a Red Sox fan, should I be pissed that my team couldn’t come up with something better than Nick Franklin and Drew Smyly for David Price?
4:12
Paul Swydan: You mean for Lester? Keep in mind that Lester is a free agent and that Price isn’t.
4:12
Comment From Well-Beered Englishman
Heyman says the Yankees got Martin Prado
4:12
Paul Swydan: Oh, well now!
4:12
Comment From Shaun
Is it legal for AJackson to play for two teams in one day?
4:13
4:13
Paul Swydan: Joel Youngblood. Such a classic name.
4:13
Comment From Guessed
Any potential waiver wire deals for the Sox at this point? Please tell me someone gets desperate and claims Buchholz.
4:13
Paul Swydan: Yeah, something tells me they’ll keep looking to move and/or shake.
4:13
Paul Swydan: I wouldn’t expect Buchholz to be dealt though. Can’t even imagine who would want him.
4:13
Comment From John Elway
Price got traded after all???
4:14
Paul Swydan: He did. Just neighing.
4:14
Comment From jon
How is Franklin/Smyly better than Addison Russell?
4:14
Paul Swydan: I didn’t say it was, did I?
4:14
Comment From Jonesing to know
Is James Jones a bench player now?
4:14
Paul Swydan: He was a bench player before too. He was just playing more than he should have been.
4:14
Comment From Well-Beered Englishman
Joel Sherman confirms NYY Prado
4:15
Comment From Noah
Cosart to the Marlins
4:15
Paul Swydan: Good lord, couldn’t they have saved some of these deals for yesterday?
4:15
Comment From jon
No Paul how did the Rays say no to A’s offer but yes to this??
4:16
Paul Swydan: Well, we can’t be sure that the Rays did say no, nor can we be sure that the A’s offered it up either.
4:16
Comment From Justin
Did the Dodgers’ inaction cast a shadow over today’s trades? After Ned announced that neither Kemp nor any of the big prospects were moving, it seemed like all the deals came together pretty quickly.
4:16
Paul Swydan: I doubt it. If anything, I think Lester and Price did. Teams were waiting to see if they’d be available.
4:16
Comment From Guest
Is A. Jackson even an upgrade for M’s in CF? Rays should have gotten way more for Price.
4:16
Paul Swydan: Uh, yes.
4:17
Paul Swydan: To the Jackson part.
4:17
Comment From Joey G
Did the Yankees get Martin Prado and Drew?
4:17
Paul Swydan: Looking that way.
4:17
Paul Swydan: Gives them some nice flexibility.
4:18
Paul Swydan: They’ll be able to move Ichiro to the bench. That’s nice. Roberts too.
4:18
Comment From Guest
Is Franklin gonna start right away – at 2B and Zobrist moves to OF?
4:18
Paul Swydan: I would guess Zobrist starts to see more time at shortstop and in the outfield, yes.
4:18
Comment From Ira
Shouldn’t the Rays have gotten more for Price?
4:18
Paul Swydan: I think so. They must be very high on Franklin and Smyly.
4:19
Comment From Traderington
I love that the Marlins were in on Lackey and Lester and wind up with Cosart.
4:19
Paul Swydan: Well, it’s the Marlins’ job to call on everyone. But yes, Cosart does seem more their speed.
4:20
Comment From Perry the Platapus
Damn. Peter O’Brien for Prado
4:20
Paul Swydan: Nice upside play for the Dbacks, who never had a use for Prado, not even on the day they acquired him.
4:20
Comment From Miguel Cabrera
DET is now the favorite.
4:20
Paul Swydan: Sorry, but no. I think Oakland is still the favorite.
4:20
Comment From Well-Beered Englishman
sounds like Cosart for Marisnick
4:21
Paul Swydan: If that is indeed the deal, then I like this for the Marlins a lot. Marisnick was never going to crack the Yelich-Stanton-the other guy who I can’t think of right now Marlins’ outfield.
4:21
Comment From odbsol
How bad does the AZ Upton trade look now?
4:22
Paul Swydan: No worse than it did on the day it was made, and it looked awful that day.
4:22
Comment From Slater
What could the Reds have gotten for Latos?
4:22
Paul Swydan: Probably not a ton, given his injury history.
4:22
Comment From Guest
Marcell Ozuna
4:22
Paul Swydan: Yes, there it is. My college roomate, if he read this, would kill me. He is infatuated with Ozuna.
4:22
Paul Swydan: And he’s a Mets fan.
4:22
Comment From crw
Dbacks turn Upton into Prado and Prado into.. something worse. Is it worse to be non-active (Phillies,Rockies, etc.) or active and bad?
4:23
Paul Swydan: The Dbacks can’t think like that. They have to move forward. If they decided they didn’t need Prado next year, then it’s best to get what they can get for him now.
4:23
Comment From Guest
no its cosart and enrique hernandez for moran, marisnick, and a comp pick
4:23
Paul Swydan: Oh, that changes things a little (looks up enrique hernandez)
4:24
Paul Swydan: Who is actually a nice little player. And has been playing center, making him a nice fourth outfield candidate.
4:25
Paul Swydan: Losing Moran is the big part of the deal though.
4:25
Paul Swydan: Looks like a win-win.
4:25
Comment From JP
Does the Mariners trading up Denorfia and Jackson improve them more than the As acquiring up Lester?
4:25
Paul Swydan: Maybe, but only because the A’s rotation was already stacked.
4:25
Comment From Mike
Cosart isnt very good though?
4:26
Paul Swydan: He’s a league average starter that is cheap. And the Marlins needed one more starter. And who knows, with a better team in front of him…
4:26
Comment From Rusty
Rosenthal reporting Rays also get Willy Adames from Tigers
4:27
Paul Swydan: Well, OK, that’s a little better.
4:27
Comment From Pat
Is Lindor getting called up imminently?
4:27
Paul Swydan: I wouldn’t count on it. I would hope so, but the Indians may want to play games with his service time clock.
4:27
Comment From Guest
Rosenthal says Rays also get Willy Adames (18 yo SS prospect) from Tigers
4:28
Paul Swydan: He’s 18 and already playing in A ball, so that’s promising, and he has hit well there as well. Obviously a ways away though.
4:28
Comment From RSF
Cosart has a career 14.3% K% and a 11.4% BB%. Hard to stay league-average for long with those numbers.
4:29
Paul Swydan: Fair, but he is much improved this year. K%-BB% went up 5%. And he gets a lot of ground balls.
4:29
Comment From Bruno Caboclo
Looks like Adames is at least two years away from being two years away
4:29
Paul Swydan: Maybe not that far, but yeah, he won’t be in Tampa anytime soon.
4:29
Comment From Perry the Platapus
So…Bonifacio gone. Does this mean we see Baez soon?
4:29
Paul Swydan: No, not necessarily.
4:30
Comment From amarsuperstar
Willy A is a wizard in the field. Youngest starter in the midwest league. Hitting well.
4:30
Comment From Sam
Nap and Craig seem redundant. Or is it Cespedes /Craig that are? Craig needs to play 1B or LF in Fenway?
4:30
Paul Swydan: Well, someone is going to be redundant of the three of them unless the Sox are planning on putting Cespedes and/or Victorino in center and making Bradley the fourth OF, but let’s give them a day or two to sort that out.
4:31
Comment From Guest
The Tigers window is going to close very quickly after this year. Will they try to flip Price in the offseason, or hold onto him as Scherzer’s replacement?
4:31
Paul Swydan: I doubt they will flip him in the offseason.
4:31
Comment From Ryan
What’s the record for most IFers with a sub-.700 OPS on a single team, and have the Yankees now surpassed it?
4:31
Paul Swydan: Ryan is getting snippy! Slow down, Ryan. Everything’s gonna be alright.
4:31
Comment From Christian
Yesterday I was thinking this trade deadline would be a snoozefest to end all snoozefests. Now I’m pretty much worthless at work because I’m so caught up in all the moves.
4:32
Paul Swydan: Me too! I was just thinking that I hadn’t contributed a lick to our trade deadline coverage. And now two posts and a chat today. Good thing my parents took my son out for the day!
4:32
Comment From Perry the Platapus
Chances Ryan Howard gets moved in a waiver trade?
4:32
Paul Swydan: I’m going to say 0 percent.
4:32
Comment From The Dude
The Yankees are putting together a brilliant team for MLB 2K10.
4:32
Paul Swydan: Burn.
4:33
Comment From ABSkippers
If Benoit wasn’t shipped out today, does he make for a likely waiver trade in August?
4:34
Paul Swydan: I would think so. One, because it makes sense. Two, because I want to start reading, “SV: Quackenbush” in box scores.
4:34
Comment From Guest
So in the Price deal, Jack Z did better than Andrew Friedman? Am I in the matrix or something?
4:34
Paul Swydan: Which pill did you take?
4:34
Comment From JP
How bad does doing nothing look for the Jays today?
4:35
Paul Swydan: Bad, but they’re still right in it, and can make more moves in August if need be.
4:35
Comment From Noah
I think it might be best to go on a bike ride or something and check back on all of these deals tomorrow.
4:35
Paul Swydan: Yeah, that’s what I was thinking too. I took my daughter for a walk right before this chat, and came home thinking we’d cruise through the deadline. Then all hell broke loose.
4:35
Comment From fish
Does Moran moving surprise you? I always thought he was a little overrated, but a top 10 draft pick moving after one year for a league-average pitcher – interesting.
4:36
Paul Swydan: It does, frankly. I know he hasn’t hit as well this year, but he looked like he could be a solid building block at third. Maybe they’re really sold on McGehee long term?
4:36
Comment From Helix Fernandez
Release the Quackenbush
4:36
Paul Swydan: Now that’s funny.
4:36
Comment From John
Chances of Lester being back with Sox next year?
4:37
Paul Swydan: 20-40% ???
4:37
Comment From Tripp
Paul, are you surprised that no closer was traded today?
4:37
Paul Swydan: A little, ya.
4:37
Comment From Guest
Chance the Sox sign Max Scherzer?
4:37
Paul Swydan: Probably less than them signing Lester.
4:37
Comment From JW
Gotta say, that 0% on potential Howard seems a little high.
4:37
Paul Swydan: My bad, my bad.
4:38
Comment From Rick
So the Reds didn’t trade any of their starters– shouldn’t they at least have tried to sell high on Simon?
4:38
Paul Swydan: Yes, but the Reds never do anything.
4:38
Comment From Guest
Does the Addison Russell trade look foolish for the As now?
4:38
Paul Swydan: Not sure why you would say that.
4:38
Comment From Dog of approval
I spent much of this week refreshing mlbtr, and now I’m just a pile of confusion. That Lestimate seems high by the way, people always talk about going back, and then they get a taste of life on other teams, and then someone offers them gobbles and gobbles of dollars.
4:39
Paul Swydan: As I said in my piece, I think the A’s won’t sign him, so the exclusive window won’t mean as much, but with no draft pick comp, more teams are going to be in on him. But most teams don’t have Boston’s $$, and Lester already has a built in comfort in Boston.
4:39
Comment From Aaron
Do you think Greinke opts out?
4:40
Paul Swydan: If he’s healthy and performing well, absolutely.
4:40
Comment From DTSS
One last deal I’m hearing about – it seems that NotGraphs has been traded to FoxSports and will be renamed NotFox. Will expand into politics and take on MSNBC.
4:40
Paul Swydan: What’d we get back?
4:40
Comment From Boh
Might have been some kind of understanding with Lester – trading him does him a big favor by releasing him from the tyranny of the qualifying offer. Boston trading him made him a lot of money.
4:40
Paul Swydan: Especially if Oakland goes deep into the playoffs.
4:41
Comment From Brett
Obligatory question from a Royals fan: should I be disappointed they didn’t add somebody, relieved that Dayton Moore didn’t overpay for a marginal upgrade, or angry that they didn’t accept their fate and trade Shields (and/or others) in a seller’s market?
4:41
Paul Swydan: Both?
4:41
Comment From Guest
Was this really what the Rays wanted? Seems like they got the short end of the deal here
4:42
Paul Swydan: I hope it is what they wanted, since they did it. It’s certainly not going to help ticket sales or their reputation in the Tampa/St Pete area.
4:42
Comment From Guest
If the A’s don’t win world series, can you grade this season as an F?
4:42
Paul Swydan: Nope. I like to see them going for it.
4:43
Comment From Tripp
Brian Roberts to be DFA’d. Think he goes back to Baltimore?
4:43
Paul Swydan: That’d be interesting. Certainly Schoop hasn’t locked that job down yet.
4:43
Comment From J "Honey" Hamlin
Does the Houston deal put the fans back on Luhnow’s side again?
4:43
Paul Swydan: I sincerely doubt it.
4:44
Comment From Sadwick
I’m hearing in the NotGraphs deal there are some stipulations: Cistulli has to return to Europe never to return, and Dayn Perry must wear a muzzle if he attends any meetings in person. Looks like the European Union is fighting the deal though.
4:44
Paul Swydan: As well they should. No man can muzzle Dayn Perry!
4:44
Comment From francis
How bad are the “insiders” at figuring out who’s going where ?
4:44
Paul Swydan: Even someone with team contacts is working off of limited information.
4:44
Comment From Brian McNamee
Is Stephen Drew really an upgrade over Roberts???
4:45
Paul Swydan: Yeah. Roberts wasn’t hitting or fielding well. Drew fields well, and has been hitting better in the second half.
4:45
Comment From person hscer
Oakland, Detroit or the field to rep the AL in the WS?
4:45
Paul Swydan: I mean the smart money is usually on the field, but I’m not smart so I’ll say Oakland.
4:46
Comment From Pat "Daddy" G
Surprising to see Texas not unload anyone else at the deadline, seemed like Rios would have been packing his bags or is JD just hoping for a revival with health next year?
4:46
Paul Swydan: I think Rios is a prime candidate to be moved in August.
4:46
Comment From Justin
When the Angels and Orioles are playing the ALCS we are going to remember this as being the most silly of afternoons.
4:46
Paul Swydan: I’d be surprised if neither the A’s nor the Tigers made the ALCS.
4:46
Comment From Ben
Any chance the Red Sox just shut down Craig for the season and let his foot heal 100%?
4:46
Paul Swydan: Sure, there’s definitely a chance.
4:47
Comment From Dog of approval
Given that the Giants are pot committed at this point, did you expect to see a little more from them?
4:47
Paul Swydan: I’m not sure that I would say the Giants are pot committed. They are just as committed as they are in any other year.
4:47
Comment From Joe
If it took that little to get Prado, why weren’t the Nationals in on him?
4:48
Paul Swydan: Who says they weren’t? Maybe they really preferred Cabrera.
4:48
Paul Swydan: Also, Cabrera is a free agent at the end of the season and Prado isn’t, and that flexibility likely played a role.
4:48
Comment From Bill
What does StL OF rotation look like now?
4:49
Paul Swydan: Holliday-Jay/Bourjos-Taveras, with Grichuck getting in where he fits in.
4:49
Comment From amarsuperstar
Are the Tigers done? Do you see any likely August moves?
4:50
Paul Swydan: I would expect the Tigers to be scouring for an outfield upgrade. Preferably someone who hits right-handed pitchers well, to pair with Rajai Davis.
4:50
Comment From Guest
Is Verlander now more or less the 5th starter in Detroit?
4:50
Paul Swydan: That’s probably a bit extreme.
4:50
Comment From Guest
What’s more likely to you; Lester and Cespedes both sign with Boston long term next season, or Lester goes as a FA to another team, and Cespedes leaves as a FA after 2015?
4:50
Paul Swydan: You would have to say that the latter is more likely because I don’t think the Sox will necessarily want Cespedes past next season, but there is a chance for each scenario.
4:51
Comment From Boh
Seth Smith?
4:51
Paul Swydan: Smith would be a marvelous fit if the Tigers want him to play center. That’s probably not the greatest idea, but he’d at least help at the dish.
4:51
Comment From Guest
The Tigers rotation now consists of the last 3 AL Cy Young winners and 4 first round picks. Seems noteworthy.
4:51
Paul Swydan: And as such, it has been noted!
4:51
Comment From Brett "Soccer Boy" Z
Why didn’t LAD make any moves, they have pieces, they have money…they obviously have some albatross contracts they need to unload as well, but still? Or do they think they own the Giants so no need?
4:52
Paul Swydan: They didn’t need to make a move, is probably why.
4:52
Comment From Taijuan
Paul what happens to me this year am I relevant again?
4:52
Paul Swydan: I would expect you to work your way back into the rotation if you stay healthy.
4:52
Comment From Rob, Baltimore
While other teams are adding Price, Lester, Shark, do you like the Orioles trading ERod for 2 months of Andrew Miller?
4:53
Paul Swydan: It’s interesting. It seems like a lot for Miller, but Rodriguez hasn’t been as good this year. I wrote it up for InstaGraphs, if you’d like a more thorough but still hot take.
4:53
Comment From Guest
Do the Sox cut Mike Carp at this point?
4:53
Paul Swydan: I think they’ll pump him through waivers and try to find him a home, sure.
4:54
Paul Swydan: Dave’s take on the Tigers getting Price is now live:

http://www.fangraphs.com/bl…

4:54
Comment From Dog of approval
But yeah, let’s say your managing the Tigers and Verlander hasn’t improved (or gotten worse), and it’s time to start him or Porcello in a playoff game. Who do you choose? I probably still choose Verlander, but with a super short leash. Porcello seems like the better pitcher right now, is the thing. If I’m the Tigers I might come up with a reason to DL him to see if some rest lets him get back on track.
4:55
Paul Swydan: I think the way this will work is that the Tigers will either leave Porcello off the team for the LDS round, or move him to the bullpen, and then they’ll have a decision to make for the LCS.
4:55
Comment From Angel Love
So who is out of a job in Seattle when A-Jax arrives and Saunders is back…will the futile attempts of playing DHs in the field finally stop?
4:55
Paul Swydan: I think James Jones goes back to a utility role for starters.
4:55
Comment From Jamie
Verlander seems potential
4:55
Comment From Jack
are all the deals done?
4:55
Paul Swydan: For today, they should be. We’re nearly an hour past the trade deadline.
4:56
Comment From Dylan
If salary was the big issue for Price as Dave thinks it is, why didn’t a big market team swoop in, offer a comparable return, and flip Price by taking on his salary for a lot more in return.
4:56
Paul Swydan: Things don’t always work like that.
4:56
Comment From Xander Bogaerts
Am I back at SS the rest of the way?
4:56
Paul Swydan: You &*&^%^#%& better be!
4:56
Comment From john
Biggest/most surprising non-moves?
4:57
Paul Swydan: I’m a little surprised the Blue Jays did nothing. I’m a little surprised that the Pirates and Brewers did nothing. I’m a little surprised the Rangers did nothing. I’m not surprised, but find it hilarious, that the Mets did nothing.
4:57
Comment From Will
Any comments on Troy Tulowitzki? Maybe in the offseason?
4:58
Paul Swydan: I don’t think so. It would take a team with a big payroll, but also a ton of prospects, one that includes a shortstop of the future, to make that deal. How many teams like that out there? Maybe the Cubs. Maybe the Sox.
4:58
Comment From Guest
Foolish for Marlins to give up Marisnick?
4:58
Paul Swydan: No, I don’t think so.
4:58
Comment From Sandy
What did you want the Mets to do?
4:59
Paul Swydan: Trade Colon. Assuming Harvey is back and Thor and/or Montero graduates, they don’t need him at all.
4:59
Comment From Pirates fan
Should I be sobbing into my Primanti Brothers sandwich?
4:59
Paul Swydan: Nope, because they didn’t make any bad trades either.
4:59
Comment From Eric
Apparently the Pirates got Zobrist. So they did so something
4:59
Paul Swydan: Wait, seriously? Checking.
5:00
Comment From Well-Beered Englishman
Zobrist trade is a HOAX
5:00
Paul Swydan: OK, thanks. I don’t see that anwhere.
5:00
Comment From A. Lane
No the Pirates GM just said they didn’t make any deals.
5:00
Comment From JayT
Also the Brewers got Perra, which isn’t nothing.
5:00
Paul Swydan: Right, my fault. I like Parra a lot.
5:01
Comment From Sadwick
Just saw a retweet from Wnedy Thurm that has an excellent Amaro quote. ‘Amaro said Phillies did not ask for “top prospects.” Criticized other GM’s for not being aggressive enough.’ I guess in a world where everyone thinks like Amaro his strategies are perfect.
5:01
Paul Swydan: Beautiful.
5:01
Comment From Simon Says
How are YOU Paul?
5:01
Paul Swydan: Tired. I think that’s gonna do it, folks. Thanks, as always, for hanging out with us this afternoon.


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jdbolick
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1 year 11 months ago

And of course the only good trade Boston makes comes at the expense of the Orioles. *sigh*

MoeLester
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MoeLester
1 year 11 months ago

Ne1 need a babysitter?

lesmash
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lesmash
1 year 11 months ago

Thank you to the Fangraphs team.

LaLoosh
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1 year 11 months ago

this was hilarious..

“Paul Swydan: I’m a little surprised the Blue Jays did nothing. I’m a little surprised that the Pirates and Brewers did nothing. I’m a little surprised the Rangers did nothing. I’m not surprised, but find it hilarious, that the Mets did nothing.”

of course the Brewers did add Parra, which I thought was an excellent pickup for a C+/B- OFer Mitch Haniger.

Mets need to be lambasted. Sandy Alderson has made it seem like dealing with other teams is beneath him. The overriding philosophy he’s brought to the Mets is that if we wait long enough and don’t screw anything up too badly, then things will eventually turn around. uhhh, ok… meanwhile David Wright isn’t getting any younger and eventually Matt Harvey will be approaching free agency too… face palm…..

LaLoosh
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1 year 11 months ago

and good call Dave on the inclusion of AJax in the 3 way deal.

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