Likely Scenarios for Current Front-Office Vacancies

Two seasons ago, I ranked the job security of each general manager and listed GM prospects. I think I did a pretty good job with both lists given what we knew at the time, and may do it again as Opening Day 2016 closes in. We’ve had less executive movement in the last few off-seasons than usual and it looks like the regression is happening this year, with four GM jobs currently open and a likely fifth coming soon. This seemed like a good time to cover each of the situations in flux and target some possible changes in the near future, along with some names to keep in mind as candidates to fill these openings.

The Open GM Spots
We have two teams without a top baseball decision-making executive, in Seattle and Milwaukee:

Mariners
The Mariners moved on from (now former) GM Jack Zduriencik recently, a long-rumored move that club president Kevin Mather admitted he waited too long to execute. Mather has said they’re looking for a replacement sooner than later (likely eliminating execs from playoff teams), with GM experience (eliminating most of the GM prospects you’ll see below), and that the team doesn’t require a rebuild (meaning a shorter leash and higher expectations from day one). This should prove to narrow the pool of candidates a good bit, but this is still seen as the best of the currently open jobs.

When the Seattle job was rumored to come open a couple seasons ago, some of the biggest names among current GMs were rumored to be interested. The combination of a solid group of talent, at least a mid-level payroll, a regional fanbase and lower expectations/media scrutiny made for one of the better jobs that could be available. Unfortunately, the big-league talent core will start declining soon and the farm is below average, so the job won’t draw a top-tier sitting GM. You could see one of the four “Almost GMs” below (Oakland’s David Forst, Atlanta’s John Coppolella, Texas’ Thad Levine and Cleveland’s Mike Chernoff) go for an interview for this job, but likely not the other three currently open jobs.

The names that have been mentioned are mostly former GMs who were fired in the last few years, which seems like a low target to aim for with the best available job. Word is the M’s came close to landing Dave Dombrowski before he joined the Red Sox and that seems to indicate the preferences of Mather better than names that have been rumored, like Kevin Towers or Frank Wren. Most observers see this one going to a former GM with a cleaner recent resume, with the most buzz around White Sox executive VP Kenny Williams and former-Angels GM/current Red Sox consultant Jerry DiPoto, who was the runner-up to Zduriencik the last time this job was open. Marlins manager/very recently former GM Dan Jennings may move back to the GM role in Miami but also could be an option in Seattle where he has some roots; the M’s job is considered an upgrade if Jennings gets the offer.

Brewers
The Brewers are a smaller-market team with a lower payroll than Seattle and a little less talent, so the big-league situation is worse, though the farm is much better. Owner Mark Attanasio has said he’s looking for a younger, analytical-type GM; is very open to outside-the-box candidates; will take as long as necessary to find the right person for the job; and envisions a two- to three-year window for contention.

All of these factors play into the assistant GM (AGM) group of GM prospects being a fit. The buzz in the industry is that Attanasio may hire VP of amateur scouting Ray Montgomery as the new GM, but Montgomery will have a big role even if he doesn’t get the top job, with one source saying it could be a near co-GM situation. I’ve also been told that at least one more current Brewers baseball executive is sure to keep his spot or even get a promotion due to a relationship with the owner, further limiting the hiring power of an externally hired GM. For these reasons, Forst, Coppolella, Levine and Chernoff all appear unlikely to interview.

This is still an attractive job for many given the solid farm, lower expectations/media scrutiny and allowance for a multi-year rebuild, so most AGMs around baseball would take an interview here, if given the chance. DiPoto makes a lot of sense here and another candidate who makes some sense is A’s assistant GM Dan Kantrovitz, who has a background both in scouting and analytics, along with going to the same college (Brown) as Attanasio. Last night, it was reported that Red Sox assistant GM Mike Hazen will get an interview.

There are two more teams without a GM, but that GM spot isn’t the top baseball decision-making role, making potential candidates in Anaheim and Boston a little harder to pinpoint, as some of the usual names aren’t interested:

Angels
The Angels have a unique situation because it was openly known that owner Arte Moreno and manager Mike Scioscia overruled former GM Jerry DiPoto on some high-profile decisions, like the disastrous Josh Hamilton contract. This put DiPoto in the awkward spot of having a nice title but little else and that is still what this job is perceived to be in the industry. While the Red Sox job has a formal president of baseball operations above the GM, the Angels have an owner and manager higher in the pecking order, even if the exact hierarchy on any given decision is unclear. This obviously will limit the sorts of names that will take an interview, but I don’t think Moreno/Scioscia want the well educated, analytically inclined assistant GM type, anyway.

Internal options Matt Klentak and Scott Servais have already interviewed (I’m told external interviews haven’t started yet) and Yankees execs Billy Eppler and Damon Oppenheimer interviewed last time around for the job that DiPoto eventually got, so it wouldn’t be surprising if they both got another look this time. Since the type that is most likely to fit in this situation is a more traditional, scouting-and-player-development-oriented type, Oppenheimer fits the description and he has SoCal roots from his playing days at USC. That said, this opening is difficult to handicap at this point.

Red Sox
In the style of Andrew Friedman (Dodgers) and Theo Epstein (Cubs), the Red Sox hired Dave Dombrowski, formerly of the Tigers, to function as a hands-on club president that will make all the baseball decisions. It’s unclear exactly what Dombrowski is looking for in a candidate, but a more traditional, experienced executive seems more likely, though I would expect him to cast a wide net. Despite the early buzz, I’m told former Braves GM Frank Wren isn’t a likely fit here, but former Rockies GM Dan O’Dowd and former Diamondbacks GM Kevin Towers could be fits. Internal options Mike Hazen and DiPoto should both get a chance and Dombrowski is open-minded enough to hire either, despite the more analytical approach they employ compared to the O’Dowd/Towers type of executive.

Keep An Eye On
There are five more teams with a chance to have a GM spot open in the next year and a fifth team worth mentioning in this space:

Phillies
It’s very likely that incoming president Andy MacPhail will start fresh in the GM role and let Ruben Amaro go after the season ends. The Phillies job is seen as a good one, given the improving farm system, shrinking current payroll, rebuild expectations and potential to spend big when the time is right. Since there isn’t an opening yet, it’s hard to say who has the inside track on this job, but it could be enticing enough to get one of the four guys from the section below to interview. Given MacPhail’s comments about making the team more analytically inclined, it would appear some of the same names from the Brewers opening would also be in play here, such as DiPoto and other AGM types.

Marlins
Few in baseball understand what’s going on in Miami at any given time, mainly due to owner Jeffrey Loria. Recent reports and chatter appear to suggest that change is afoot in Miami and it could be as simple as manager Dan Jennings moving back to GM, but it sounds like Loria may be antsy to play a more complicated game of musical chairs. The Fish have already made some lower-level executive changes and there are rumors of more on the way, but past changes under Loria’s regime have been shifting titles within the organization rather than hirings and firings. I would expect things to stay internal, with the same group of top-level execs shuffling some titles and responsibilities, but there’s always a chance Loria does something more drastic.

Reds
GM Walt Jocketty is respected around the game and there’s plenty of talent in the organization, but Cincinnati has now had two straight poor seasons. There’s enough big-money contracts to interpret this situation as a losing hand, due to playing in a division with the Cardinals, Cubs and Pirates, who are all in a better position to compete at the moment. It isn’t clear what will happen here or when, but there’s enough heat to pay attention.

Nationals/Orioles
Similar to the Reds, the Nationals have played under expectations in 2015, but that’s more a function of the super-team talk before this season, since the Nats won 96 games in 2014. With some core players struggling and Ian Desmond and Jordan Zimmermann free agents after the season, you could see a rough start to 2016 making a change possible. This is a little bit of stretch, but a situation worth monitoring given the high stakes. One source suggested that manager Matt Williams will take the fall for this season, giving the front office one more year to make the playoffs. You could also make a case that the nearby Orioles are in a similar situation, also coming off a 96-win 2014 and disappointing 2015, with Chris Davis and Matt Wieters close to free agency but even more internal friction due to executive VP of baseball operations Dan Duquette’s flirtation with the Blue Jays president job.

Blue Jays: There was some chatter when Shapiro was in talks to join Toronto as president that he could become the top baseball decision maker, which would then force GM Alex Anthopoulos to assess his market, as his contract is expiring after the year and he would be the top candidate on the market. I’ve been told by multiple sources that this isn’t the case and Shapiro will function in more of a business role, leaving the baseball to Anthopoulos. So, this isn’t really even a situation to monitor, I’m just taking a chance to tell Blue Jays fans to calm down.

The Almost GMs
When thinking about potential candidates to fill these roles, one group of execs that gets mentioned nearly every time is the GM-in-waiting. These guys are doing many of the functions of a GM in their current assistant GM role, with a clear line to an internal promotion to GM if/when their boss moves to president or advisor.

A’s
Assistant GM David Forst has been mentioned as a near-GM in function for years, with GM Billy Beane having a unique role as the top executive. It’s unclear when Beane may move on to an advisor or club-president type role, but regardless of that uncertainty, this is one of the more stable front offices in the game, with multiple GM prospects beneath Beane and Forst, despite recently losing current Dodgers GM Farhan Zaidi.

Braves
Last off-season the Braves restructured the front office, moving John Hart from an advisory role to president of baseball pperations, with assistant GM John Coppolella positioned as Hart’s “right hand man.” According to industry sources, Coppolella is handling many of the GM duties, so Atlanta’s recent flurry of some of the more creative trades in recent memory has bolstered his reputation and sped up Atlanta’s rebuild.

Rangers
Assistant GM Thad Levine has been mentioned for open GM jobs for years and it’s believed that, to keep him in Arlington long term, the Rangers would move current president of baseball operations/GM Jon Daniels to a more formal club-president role to clear the GM slot for Levine. The timing of this potential move is unclear, but it seems likely to happen in the next year or two.

Indians
With former club president Mark Shapiro taking the same role in Toronto this week, it clears the way to shift current GM Chris Antonetti to Shapiro’s vacated role and move assistant GM Mike Chernoff into the GM seat. There’s some buzz that this could happen soon, rather than sometime in the next few years.

As mentioned above, these are the GM candidates most likely to be offered interviews and turn them down (which sometimes goes unreported in the media), given the high bar to clear with the options they have with their current clubs.

GM Prospects
Of the other GM prospect names you’ll likely be hearing in the next 12 months, it’s easiest to separate them into assistant GMs and scouting executives, though some of them have chops in both arenas and this grouping is more by their current job function than actual title or skill set.

Assistant GMs
Chaim Bloom/Erik Neander (Rays), Sig Mejdal (Astros), Billy Eppler (Yankees), Dan Kantrovitz (A’s), Mike Hazen (Red Sox)

Scouting Execs
Jason McLeod (Cubs), Billy Owens (A’s), J.J. Piccolo (Royals), Ray Montgomery (Brewers), Damon Oppenheimer (Yankees)



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Kiley McDaniel has worked in the scouting departments of the New York Yankees, Baltimore Orioles and Pittsburgh Pirates and has written for ESPN, among other outlets. Follow him on twitter for real-time thoughts on the players he’s seeing and hacky attempts at humor.


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Phillies113
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8 months 23 days ago

What’s the buzz on Kim Ng?

poorplayer
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poorplayer
8 months 22 days ago

There seems to be absolutely no mention one way or the other on Ng, almost as if people wish she did not exist. It’s not just that no one is talking about her for an open GM position; no one is even mentioning why they think she isn’t qualified. She’s not discussed one way or another, not even on a savvy site like Fangraphs. You would think Seattle, with its large Asian fan base, would jump on this opportunity to make history and appeal to that market. Can she really be any worse than Jack Z. was? Really?

LHPSU
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LHPSU
8 months 22 days ago

“Asian fan base” is a really lousy blanket characterization. The different divisions within the Asian fan base like each other less than Michigan and Ohio State fans.

ng0000
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ng0000
8 months 22 days ago

‘Asian fan base’ will all of the sudden turn out to Mariners games because of a Vietnamese GM? Ok, sure, but will that outweigh losing the white fanbase who were buying Mariners tickets for Zduriencik?

Famous Mortimer
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8 months 20 days ago

I agree with your sentiment, but it’s a little naive to think the first ever Vietnamese GM wouldn’t draw at least a few curious fellow countrypeople to the ballpark. Unless Jack Z was the first ever white GM?

Matt
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Matt
8 months 20 days ago

I also agree with your sentiment, but at least the Japanese market has responded in almost an Absurd way whenever one of their countrymen came to play in an American sporting league. Actually china as well with Yao Ming.

Ruben Amaro Sr.
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Ruben Amaro Sr.
8 months 19 days ago

Pretty sure Kim Ng is Chinese . . .

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(((xxxSephirothxxx)))
8 months 19 days ago

Just out of curiosity, how absurdly did the Japanese market respond whenever one of their countrymen came to play in an American sporting league? Did Munenori Kawasaki sell millions in merchandise and tickets? Just curious.

Max
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Max
8 months 21 days ago

Is she the among the most qualified? I likebher, but her resume seems kinda meh to.me. Of course, so do a lot of names listed here.

plasmaj
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plasmaj
8 months 20 days ago

hard to imagine any fans showing up because of who the person sitting in the GM office is. This is not like a Jeremy Lin-type situation. They may have more affinity based on who is on the field, but really could not care less who the GM is, so long as they are doing a good job.

Asian fan base
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Asian fan base
8 months 20 days ago

So the litmus should be that they can’t be any worse than the last guy? This type of thinking brought Jack Z in in the first place.

NumberSixOrg
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NumberSixOrg
8 months 19 days ago

But Jack Z was #6 GOAT organization.

JJ
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JJ
8 months 23 days ago

Mike Rizzo has consistently gotten the process right, if not always the results. The Lerners would be insane to dump him.

Well-Beered Englishman
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8 months 23 days ago

Yup – aside from little things, the only two major problems he’s had are (1) things out of his control (injuries, surprise collapses of Fister and Desmond), and (2) hiring Matt Williams.

And having $50M of payroll freed up this offseason gives him lots of opportunities to reload.

dave
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dave
8 months 22 days ago

Agreed. And also I think we are all writing the Nats off a tad too early. Ryan Zimmerman is on fire, clearly over his injuries. And Desmond is now hitting well also. Werth seems to be rebounding a bit. And if Rendon stays healthy and just hits his “normal”, the Nats are in great shape. (also assuming that Harper keeps Harpering) There is a whole month left, and the Nats are NOT buried.

I do think Matt Williams needs to go at some point, but Rizzo should be near untouchable. (and I’m a Phils fan, not a Nats fan)

Noah Baron
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Noah Baron
8 months 22 days ago

I don’t know if this is true. The decision to shut down Strasburg was very questionable. Playing multiple guys out of position in 2015 was probably not a good idea. His team’s depth is borderline terrible.

He’s made a couple of good trades, but given the core of players he inherited it’s hard to fault or credit him for what he’s done. It’s really been more of a “meh” history than anything great.

Well-Beered Englishman
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8 months 22 days ago

“The core of players he inherited” is Ryan Zimmerman, Jordan Zimmermann (whom he helped scout and draft), and Ian Desmond. Add Tyler Clippard, too. Rizzo is responsible for all 7 of this year’s main starting pitchers, both catchers, 3 regular infielders, Trea Turner, and every single outfielder.

Rizzo inherited a scandal-ridden team with no credibility in Latin America, 100 losses in DC, and (going by John Sickels) a top 20 prospects list which produced exactly 4 quality major-league regulars. (The only one not mentioned above is Derek Norris.)

Matt
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8 months 20 days ago

Do we actually give him credit for drafting two of the most Slam Dunk #1 overall draft picks of all time? I mean you still have to sign the guys I guess, but I feel like with those guys it was just a matter of if you are going to throw the money at them.

Well-Beered Englishman
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8 months 20 days ago

There is a baseline “didn’t draft Matt Bush” credit, but I think the bigger credit Rizzo gets is for guys like Michael Taylor, Lucas Giolito, plus some of the trade chips they’ve used to acquire Gio G., Denard Span, Doug Fister.

pr
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pr
8 months 23 days ago

“I’m told former Braves GM Frank Wren isn’t a likely fit here”
you just made my month

Orsulakfan
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Orsulakfan
8 months 23 days ago

Regarding Duquette, the Blue Jays seem to have committed a textbook case of tampering last off-season, and the dysfunction that has resulted in Baltimore’s front office seems to be Exhibit A of why tampering rules exist. Why wasn’t a tampering case pursued by the Orioles? Or is the fault more with the Orioles’ management and with Duquette himself? it seems that both are possible…

Kevin
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Kevin
8 months 23 days ago

My recollection of what happened there was that the Blue Jays asked permission to interview Duquette, got permission, interviewed him, and then Peter Angelos demanded a King’s ransom from Toronto to allow Duquette out of his contract. Toronto declined, and Duquette had to go back to his old job, no doubt to his dismay.

So no, not tampering.

Orsulakfan
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Orsulakfan
8 months 23 days ago

This is misinformation.

Duquette never reached the point of interviewing. The Blue Jays expressed interest, many assumed he was leaving (and according to reports he wanted to take the new job), but Angelos said he didn’t want to release Duquette from his contract, compensation packages were discussed, and things collapsed at that point. But the turmoil in the Orioles’ front office lingered.

Powder Blues
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Powder Blues
8 months 23 days ago

Since the two sides got to the point of discussing compensation packages, the definition of tampering doesn’t seem to have been met:

“Tampering is an attempt to persuade a player* contracted to one team to transfer to another team, without the knowledge or permission of the player’s current team.”

TomP
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TomP
8 months 20 days ago

“…but the turmoil in the Orioles’ front office lingered.”

The Orioles’ front office has been in turmoil since Angelos showed up, and it won’t change until he leaves. It’s too bad. The Orioles have a great fan base, a great park, and could be a great revenue generator under the right business and baseball leadership. That is most certainly not Angelos.

DAKINS
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DAKINS
8 months 23 days ago

The O’s knew what the Jays were doing the entire time, this is not tampering.

StroShow
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8 months 23 days ago

Didn’t Peter Angelos just let it happen, and then demand wayyyy to much to let Duquette out of his contract?

How can that be tampering if the O’s knew what was going on the entire time? It’s mostly their own fault for this situation.

Orsulakfan
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Orsulakfan
8 months 23 days ago

So once the teams discussed compensation, there is no possibility for a tampering charge? Since Angelos had little intention of letting Duquette go, he shouldn’t have discussed compensation, I guess. But I think he did so only because his hand had been forced by the speculation. It’s possible – even likely – that the Orioles mishandled the situation, and Duquette deserves a lot of blame there, but the disruption in the O’s front office had already occurred by the time the teams were discussing compensation.

Orsulakfan
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Orsulakfan
8 months 20 days ago

This contention that the Orioles knew what the Blue Jays were doing the whole time seems to be the key. By the time the story was reported, anyway, things between Duquette and Blue Jays had advanced far enough that he expressed a desire to take the job, but Angelos (again, reportedly) felt blindsided by this. It was only at that point that Angelos entered into (half-hearted) negotiations with the Blue Jays regarding compensation, after already having declared that he wasn’t going to let Duquette out of his contract. There was no interview, and the Orioles acted like the move blindsided them. This is why it seemed like tampering.

Now, perhaps the industry standard is to allow your employees to leave if they get wind of an offer viewed as a promotion, and all Toronto did was express interest in Duquette, and he expressed a desire to talk and nothing further. And by defying that standard Angelos angered Duquette and confused his own front office and so Angelos is the cause of the dysfunction. But to me the key question is how far talks between Duquette and the Blue Jays developed before the Orioles got wind of it. At one time, the Orioles were acting like it was tampering, but then they relented and entered compensation talks. Maybe they blew any chance of a tampering charge by doing that. I don’t know.

Pirates Hurdles
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Pirates Hurdles
8 months 23 days ago

I’m curious why Greg Smith doesn’t get any talk these days?

Heroes Charge
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Heroes Charge
8 months 22 days ago

There seems to be absolutely no mention one way or the other on Smith, almost as if people wish he did not exist. It’s not just that no one is talking about him for an open GM position; no one is even mentioning why they think he isn’t qualified. He’s not discussed one way or another, not even on a savvy site like Fangraphs. You would think Seattle, with its large Caucasian fan base, would jump on this opportunity to make history and appeal to that market. Can he really be any worse than Jack Z. was? Really?

Linus
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Linus
8 months 22 days ago

For about 10 seconds I thought I had lost my mind.

agent00
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agent00
8 months 22 days ago

Yeah I’m a little surprised no one in the Pirates front office were mentioned.

But they kinda seem to do their own thing. So I dunno.

Justin in Bridgeport
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Justin in Bridgeport
8 months 23 days ago

If the Mariners pry Kenny Williams away from the White Sox, I’ll streak down 35th all the way to the ballpark.

StroShow
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8 months 23 days ago

Is this a good thing, or is it more like the Game of Thrones “shame shame shame” scene?

cs3
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cs3
8 months 22 days ago

I thought the “shame shame shame” scene *was* a good thing?
Cersei has a great rack!

Linus
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Linus
8 months 23 days ago

I will be hugely bummed out if the M’s hire Williams. He was a fine GM for a while, but the game has passed him by and he would be a boring retread candidate.

Then again, the M’s seem dedicated to hiring a boring retread, and he’s better than Towers or O’Dowd, so maybe I shouldn’t feel too bad about the idea.

Descalzo Jose
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Descalzo Jose
8 months 23 days ago

I think Williams has a good chance for another reason: the Mariners executives like to talk about how they’re “committed to diversity” (but not so committed they’d actually hire Kim Ng)

Westside guy
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Westside guy
8 months 22 days ago

The Mariners’ ownership prefers to talk about having a “safe” ballpark that’s “family friendly” – while they also will say they want to field a “competitive” team, they’re generally so vague about it that I’m not sure they really care about the quality of the product they offer.

To me it seemed telling that, right after Zduriencik was fired, suddenly there were a dozen or so “wasn’t 1995 great?” stories in the press again. I can’t imagine that was coincidental.

Descalzo Jose
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Descalzo Jose
8 months 22 days ago

Well, to be fair that 1995 run happened exactly twenty years ago, and twenty year anniversaries do get acknowledged. So there were going to be stories like that regardless. You could just as easily argue that ownership decided to part ways with Zduriencik when they did because they knew those stories were coming and they thought the comparison with this year’s team would be particularly stark and unpleasant; now, with Zduriencik gone there can be some hope for the future (at least until the disappointing replacement is named).

deadmanonleave
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deadmanonleave
8 months 22 days ago

For all their faults, the Mariners execs are pretty good at making vague comments that give no clue as to their moves.

kashib
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kashib
8 months 21 days ago

@Westside You’re taking those comments out of context. They said that because they were asked why people should still go to games when the team was shitty. They just didn’t want to flat out admit that we sucked.

JayTeam
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8 months 23 days ago

Rumour has it Jays owner Ed Rogers wanted Anthopoulos fired last year. AA would have a better idea as to the veracity of that report, but if so, would not blame him a bit for waiting until there is some resolution on RAJ in Philly. That is the plum GM job listed above, especially so for AA, since it removes multiple constraints he’s working with in Toronto.

chuckb
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chuckb
8 months 22 days ago

The Phillies may be the plum job but that depends on the amount of influence McPhail is going to have. If the Phillies’ GM is actually going to have some decision-making ability, it’s a very good job. If he’s just going to be a yes-man, a GM in name only like the Angels will hire, it may not be a very good gig at all.

So many questions
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So many questions
8 months 23 days ago

I don’t get why there is buzz around Kenny Williams taking a GM job when he was promoted to being above the GM for the pale hose? Why would he take a step down? Would they give him permission to interview for a step down when that whole thing in Toronto happened? Where is the common sense in his name popping up?

Jorge Fabregas
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Jorge Fabregas
8 months 23 days ago

It was not a true promotion. He was kicked upstairs. At the time he also reportedly wanted to work less in part because his girlfriend did not live in the Chicago area.

ettin
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ettin
8 months 23 days ago

Have a strong feeling the Mariners will hire Jerry Dipoto. He’s already intimately familiar with the AL West teams and, in particular, the Angels. He is analytically strong and has learned some valuable lessons (Risk aversion on injury recovery signings for one) which should prove valuable to the M’s. He has an excellent ability to identify high quality pitching talent although the record is still out on his ability to identify position players.

Bookbook
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8 months 22 days ago

Honestly, Dipoto is by far the best of all feasible outcomes for the M’s. There are several choices I’d be more excited about, but none this administration will seriously contemplate.

I, Balthazar
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I, Balthazar
8 months 22 days ago

The Ms ownership really prefers ‘name brand products’ for important hires, whether in the FO, as manager, or above the marquee players. Rarely, they’ve gone off that model—Bob Melvin, Jack the Zd, Don Wakamatsu, Chone Figgins—and no one least of all them have been happy with the outcomes (because said hires weren’t very good, but that’s another plaint). At the same time, the ownership has no real brief for ‘analytics’ (doesn’t understand them, and can’t figure how to fit them in their beloved marketing sludge). Team president has said “We’re close, i.e. any mook should get us deep in the pots season in Year One” and “No learning on the job, i.e. prior GM experience required.” We can count out most of the Asst GM’s for these reasons.

‘Won it before/got there’ will be the No. 1 qualification for the new GM, and ‘Says “Yessir” humbly with dignity’ is the No. 2 qualification. There will be no No. 3 qualification. There were rumors replacements for Jack Zd. were being canvassed as early as June; he was going to get canned. I suspect that they were hoping to make an offer to Dombroski in the offseason, who fits their profile too well, and kicked themselves when he took a far better job. If so, that would be typical bungling by the Ms top deciders. Not that I’m sorry, I’m not a fan of many aspects of Dombroski’s approach, though his winning record in trades is enviable.

I don’t see Dipoto having any special appeal to the Ms ownership. He didn’t have a lot of latitude in major decisions, but didn’t exactly shine in his deals, the Angels’ minors were a wreck under him even with the loss of picks to free agent signs, and he quit because he couldn’t follow the company line which would be a black mark here. I’m surprised that Ben Cherington wasn’t mentioned in the article. He’s clearly available, experienced, and had some success both in his early deals and in post-season. To me, he would fit the templet described above very well, and I suspect he’ll be a finalist for the job. Not saying I’m totally sold, but I’d far prefer him to long term failures like O’Dowd or Towers. Kenny Williams *shudder* would have real appeal for the Ms brass too given the above templet, but I can’t imagine he’d be too thrilled to work for the folks who’d sign his paycheck here, who clearly will be looking over the shoulder of their yet again new GM next year.

The Ms deciders haven’t of the last 20+ years haven’t shown any talent or competence in choosing their top men, only some rare luck. So we’ll have to hope they luck out and pin the tail on this donkey while wearing their ‘insight blindfold’ as per usual.

Someone Has to Say It
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Someone Has to Say It
8 months 21 days ago

tl;dr

ecp
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ecp
8 months 22 days ago

Dave Dombrowski was hired by the Red Sox before the Mariners fired Jack Zduriencik, so how did the M’s come close to hiring him? Were they interviewing candidates before firing Jack Z?

Descalzo Jose
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Descalzo Jose
8 months 22 days ago

They may not have been interviewing, but it’s possible they were talking. Or maybe Gammons was just speculating (or his sources were)

cerpy
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cerpy
8 months 22 days ago

Susan Slusser, of the SF Chronicle, filed a report about a month ago stating that is likely that Beane is getting a title promotion, and Forst will receive the GM title in the offseason. (also Melvin is likely to receive an extension) This probably takes Forst out of the running for any vacant jobs.

dave
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dave
8 months 22 days ago

No mention of Cherington anywhere here? As a Phils fan I’d like to see what he could do in Philly. Would be a nice contrast to Amaro.

Also, as much as everyone wanted to bum-rush Amaro out the door… he’s done very well in the trades he made this summer. And I’m not so sure he was totally responsible for the poor contracts/trades in previous seasons. That said… he was the GM… so, at some point its on him.

Still, I wouldn’t object if the Phils replaced him as GM, but kept him in the loop somehow.

Phils tend to run as a family business, so I think that could happen.

Phillies113
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8 months 22 days ago

I imagine they’ll give him some title like “Assistant Vice President of Baseball Operations”, or something like that, and bring in someone new. I agree RAJ has done well cleaning up the mess, but his name is too sullied at the moment. The fans are gonna want to hear a new, exciting name being brought in. It isn’t very fair to Rube, but that’s the business, and sometimes you get it.

I’m not so 100% sold on Big Ben Cherington. The Red Sox won it all in 2013, sure, but I haven’t been too impressed by the moves he’s made. I’d prefer to give someone new some experience; Gillick and MacPhail are gonna be heavily involved, so an inexperienced GM could learn a thing or two more easily than in most similar cases. I guess that’s a silly reason, now that I look at it typed out. I just don’t see the need for a guy like Cherington in this scenario.

Noah Baron
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Noah Baron
8 months 22 days ago

It isn’t fair to Rube?

The reason people hate Amaro is because his record is awful. The Howard contract, the Halladay trade, not using any analytics ever, etc. Not to mention waiting way longer than anyone expected to trade his pieces when he could have traded away his core for much greater value earlier on.

If anyone deserves to be fired, it’s him.

Gregory
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Gregory
8 months 21 days ago

The Halladay trade was awful?

Trevor
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Trevor
8 months 22 days ago

Susan Slusser if the SF Chronicle has Billy Beane being promoted in title and David Forst being promoted to GM as soon as this season ends. It’s not likely to change their roles, just be an excuse to pay them both a little more and recognize Forst for his good work

Ben Cherington
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Ben Cherington
8 months 21 days ago

How come no one’s talking about ME? I won’t have anything to do in a month or so, and I single-handedly brought the 2013 World Series Championship to Boston.

sooted72
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sooted72
8 months 21 days ago

Yeah i mean there seems to be absolutely no mention one way or the other on you, almost as if people wish you did not exist. It’s not just that no one is talking about you…ah nevermind.

Rays 7th Infielder
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Rays 7th Infielder
8 months 19 days ago

My heart lept at the thought of a “gritty” KT influence in Boston. That would just be fun to watch.

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